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More on Malaysian Hindus
By RAMESH N. RAO, FARMVILLE, Va., Dec. 3
Last week when I wrote about the brutal police action against the peaceful Hindu demonstration, I was not aware of the even more ugly police action against Hindus the same day, early in the morning, at the Subramaniar temple in the Batu Caves where Hindus had gathered to prepare for the day's march to Kuala Lumpur. The police herded the Hindus using batons and then teargased them. The pictures speak for themselves. The Star newspaper, which has been accused by the Hindu Rights Action Force (HINDRAF) leaders recently reported that the Malaysian government is unhappy that one of the HINDRAF leaders has now decided to take the case of Hindus in Malaysia to other countries, starting with India. Mr. Waytha Moorthy, the HINDRAF leader, who is now in India, has had some traction because it so happens that the largest Hindu group in Malaysia is comprised of Tamils, and the state government in Tamil Nadu is a partner with the Congress Party in New Delhi.
Without the nudging by Mr. Karunanidhi, the chief minister of Tamil Nadu, who is more interested in Tamils as fellow ethnics than as Hindus, the Indian government would have hesitated to open its mouth. It did open its mouth tentatively, and was quickly scolded by the Malaysian government for interfering in Malaysia's internal affairs. The "elephant in the room," of course, is that ethnic Tamils have been battling brutally the Sinhalese majority in Sri Lanka, and Malaysia might claim that what has happened in Sri Lanka could happen in Malaysia. The Sinhalese suppressed the Tamils through state policy and action, and they have been reaping a bloody crop for the past 30 years.
Tamil history in Malaysia is not merely the 150-year-old history of indentured laborers. Their presence in Malaysia dates back 2,000 years, and the Hindu influence was the strongest between 100 BCE and 1400 CE. But by branding themselves as a Muslim nation, and providing special privileges and rights to its Muslim citizens, Malaysia has created a two-tier system, and as a new acquaintance, a doctor in the D.C. area, told me, she and her husband decided to leave Malaysia because of what they saw as the creeping Islamization of the country and the shrinking opportunities for growth and advancement for Hindus and others. Islamic dispensation around the world is authoritarian, oppressive and violent, despite loud protestations to the contrary by many suave Muslims and blinkered "progressives."
Complaints and criticism of Islam by Muslims like Ibn Warraq, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan, and Irshad Manji are dismissed because these people are now simply labeled non-Muslims. Anyone who does not accept the Koran as God-given and perfect automatically becomes a non-Muslim, and the Muslim critics who have sought and fought hard to bring about changes in Islamic dispensation are conveniently ignored as heretics and apostates. They have to therefore scurry out of the reach of the murderous "faithful" who invoke Muhammad and Allah for their blood-thirst.
The latest victim of such blood-lust is Taslima Nasreen, the Bangladeshi author, who is now being hounded, again, in India, her new home of choice. She is seeking to make peace with these "faithful" Muslims by asking her publishers to remove "offending passages" from one of her books. "Islam is a religion of peace. There are only a few, individual Muslims, who have sought to use violence in the name of Islam. It is not the religion, but some of its practitioners that are violent." The mantra is repeated ad nauseam. Reject it at your own peril. Don't you dare remind these Muslim sophists what happens in the Holiest of Holy places of Islam, Saudi Arabia to non-Muslims, what happens to apostates, and what happens to 18-year-old rape victims. Forget Ibn Warraq, Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan, Taslima Nasreen. Forget, too, the thousands of Hindu temples in India destroyed in the name of Islam in the past, and the hundreds now being destroyed in Malaysia. Peace be unto you. ... -- -- --
Ramesh N. Rao is professor and chair of the Department of Communication Studies and Theatre at Longwood University, Farmville, Va. The views expressed here are his personal views and not those of the institution to which he belongs.
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go to hell with you
Good Article. Muslims unfortunately, especially the corrupt ones,are incapable of fair play. Malaysia has a kampong cabinet and so this sought of behaviour will continue. In contrast and contradiction, PAS, the Talibans of Islam in Malaysia, appears to have been more liberal. The RSS of malaysia are currently of course ..UMNO.
We don't easily forget Babri Mosque
as you do.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/december/6/newsid_3712000/3712777.stm
Good article from a person who is an armchair critic.
By the way, are the hindus in India themselves are well treated by the hindu government?. I beg to differ.
The caste system is the most inhuman system ever practised by the hindu themselves.
The Koran is one religious book which has not open to world interpretation as its only in Arabic or maybe only in couple of other languages,compare to the Bible which was translated into almost all languages in the world.The Bible stand the test of time in interpretation and read by almost all ethnic group but not the Koran.why is it so many killings or demand to be kill whoever "talk bad" about prophet mohammad by islamist practitioner compare to other religion??even a teddy bear by name of mohamad got the owner in death threat..compare to Jesus teaching to love your enemy..if Koran is translated to almost all languages of the world,i believe it will die a natural death.at present i dare say most muslim believers(95%) dont even understanding what the koran teaches..
it's pretty simple.. if India is so caring then why don't they welcome their own ethnic people to immigrate and provide a better place to live in.. but which malaysian hindu wants to move there..? can you get what you enjoy in malaysia? i don't think so because malaysian hindus would suffer even more.. so let's just skip this chapter and move on. Chinese seem to be quiet and enjoying their wealth here so why cann't indians do the same who're given the same amount of opportunities compared to bumis.. it's the attitude man..
Dear mamapeace...
Obviously you haven't got around have you?
You'll be more correct if you say...
"The Koran is one religious book which has been translated in all but maybe a couple of languages"
Even in Tamil! Here's one for you.
http://www.tamilquraan.net/
Go....have a read. Unless you don't read Tamil.
mamapeace, why don't you try to be open minded and read the translation of teh Koran first before coming to such conclusion. The translations of the Koran are available in many languages and the original text is preserved in the Arabic language (unlike the bible, which has variations/changes through different version or lost in time)
It is perhaps not wise to suggest that almost 95% of Muslims do not understand Koran. If that is the case, why is it that after 9/11 alot of of Koran English translations being bought by even the non-Muslims in America... Is it also a myth that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the America, Europe and the rest of the world?
Wonder where was the perfect religion some 1500 years ago? Too perfect to be discovered?
Let's face it the world is definetely divided. Thank God US is not a Islamic country otherwise banyan can be happenning all over the world.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
— Arthur Schopenhauer
You said Ibn Warraq is a muslim. He is not anymore. He is a confessed agnostic.
People who do not believe in God has no credential to talk of religion... period
Why do people want to compare with those in India. Just like some stupid politicians, "the toll, petrol here is one of the lowest, etc blah, blah, blah". Just concentrate on the life in Malaysia. Are the Indians who have contributed much more than anyone else in the development of the Malayan/Malaysian economy, treated fairly. If the Indians were not brought here, could the so called bumiputras build the roads and other infrastructure, tap rubber, teach the growing children. Alas, all the good is being robbed, plundered by the umnoputras.
Huh? meaningless comments. Go to bed.
God might be perfect but not human.
The fact that different people have different interpretation of a supposedly god’s words proved that quran is not words of god because it wasn’t perfect.
There is no more need for any prove otherwise.
No nation was so brutely plundered and no religion so humilated than india and the hindus. I have read almost all the scriptures but sad so say there is a scipture that calls for jihad(death) to kafir (nonbeliever). I rest my case and let the Lord be the witness.
Anonymous said
"No nation was so brutely plundered and no religion so humilated than india and the hindus."
Oh come on, everybody has a sob story to tell.
The Jews and Israelis may beg to differ with you.
But what does that got to do with Malaysian Indians?
Why do you still defending India when you are supposed to be Malaysian?
If Indians still feel attachement to India, then you cannot blame people to ask Indians to go back to India.
Unless you are not Malaysian, which gives your argument no validity whatsoever.
seems malaysian indian having not much fun as malaysian chinese...
Dear Let be fair n anonymous..
Ya u r right..koran is translated into tamil n few other languages,compare to Bible,thousands of languages,,below are ONLY some of sample
The Aniwa Version 51
The Arabic Versions 53
The Armenian Versions 57
Bengali 66
The Serampore Versions 67
Judson and the Burmese Version 77
Cherokee 81
The Chinese Versions 84
The Coptic Versions 100
The Czech Versions 102
The Scandinavian Versions 104
Dutch 108
The English Versions -121 113
The Ethiopic Version 128
The French Versions 135
Ganda 143
German 148
Gothic 153
Ancient Greek 156
Hebrew 163
High Hindi 167
Hungarian 169
Italian 177
The Japanese Versions 182
Korean 197
Latin 206
Malagasy 218
Malay 220
Massachusetts 231
Hwa Miao 236
Nez Perce's 250
Henry Martyn and the Persian Version 270
Polish 272
Portuguese 274
The Slavic Versions 300
The Spanish Versions 304
Ancient Syriac 315
Tahitian 318
Tamil 322
The Turkish Versions 334
Yiddish 350
Want to find out more?? go www.questia.com
Obviously Anonymous has not read the bible..its not different viaration..the sentences arranged differently to get the message across but principle is the same..
see also www.bible.ca for koran translation.
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-kills.htm
has this to say.....
The Qur'an says: "Fight and slay the pagans [Christians] wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush" (Surah 9:5)
Yes Anonymous..thats exactly what the quran say..kill the pagans..arent pagans also created by God?? if the quran god ask to kill pagans,u sure he is god?? Can a father ask his own son to kill his other brother??..mayb only a muslim family will do so..as alraedy happen in saudi arabia..U want to worship this kind of God who promote killing instead of forgiveness??
search "islam kills" in Yahoo Search Engine
Most Malaysian Muslims are "not allowed" to read the Quran.
Hence peace still reigns....
Only Christians worldwide have full access to their bibles.
F***k Muslims and all malay pig in Malaysia.
I feel ashamed to call myself a Malaysian nowadays because you malay pig are making us losing our pride day by day by corrupting the once dignified image of this country, you know Malaysia is now a laughing stock among the non-Muslim countries in the world!
People despise this country still protecting the lame lot and not doing anything to improve the deteriorating situation, still practising double standards among its own people, still expelling the non-malay genius to other countries, still depriving the rights and benefits of other races to its own race, still criticize and blame the Chinese for their minority poverty.
Hey, what is wrong with you malay pig? Haven't you fed yourself enough with the loots yet? Still want more? What a worthless thieves bunch!
You malay pig are worse than a maggot. We need a leader not a faggot to rule this country. Get lost you freak!
For all the bad things you stupid melayu babi say about the Chinese, when you are in trouble and big shit, what do you do?
You come crawling back on your knees to the Chinaman to help you, because you can't trust all your malay pig who are sodomy rapists, incest culprits, drug addicts.
Without the Chinese, you malay pig will still live on trees, swinging from tree to tree like monkeys, or forages on the ground by your 4 legs to eat all the shit.
You malay pig are a truly ungrateful lot - the minute all the Chinese leave Bolehland - you malay pig will collapse into the sea and die - that is your destiny!
I think the problem of malay pig race is their culture - it is in born in their gene - nowhere in the world that you will see affirmative action is focusing on the majority because it is always the minority that need the protection.
Worst, the minority in Malaysia has been systematically marginalized just to suppress them of their growth.
Let the malay pig make Malaysia the most corrupted place to live in and see what happened in 2020? I guess malay pig will go back to Indonesia as Malaysia don't belong to them, they are also immigrants from Sumatra, Sulawesi, Jawa, etc.
Please get it into your pea-sized otak udang plastered with layers and layers of tahi babi encased in your kepala kayu that Malaysia belong to the Orang Asli who are the true bumis of the country.
Niffy pellmell malay pig are in fact pendatang haram who swam across the Melaka Strait illegally from Sumatra. They should be caught, given severe caning and deported back to their pig sties in Sumatra.
I am totally agree what you have said, those moron malays have no sense of 'malu'. For example, I find that most of those malay pig creature are dirty and smelly, but they still walking around proudly with that stinking and ugly look.
Another example is most of them are poor, they can't afford a big luxury car. When they saw Chinese or Indian driving a big car, they are feeling distress and jealous.
What a loser! Hey non-malays can afford a big car without depend on NEP policy. But you pathetic malay pig can't afford it even though with NEP policy help. Loser malay pig!
Yes, a lot of non-malays in Malaysia are leaving this country. But what the hell, they (babiputras) don't care. They are happy that we leave.
I do agree with you of those you mentioned, our country is stepping backward, we are loosing in all aspects and yet overdue and retard ministers are still available on shelf. The ministers think that they are the only ones capable and qualified to be there and not replaceable, otherwise the country could collapse.
Looking at Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq likes looking at this country future. The well connected babiputras are getting richer. This government is spoon feeding the babiputras at this nation expense. I am sick of this country too.
My advise is let them rot in their own stew.
The Barisan government has achieved 0% in reversing the trend of racism.
While South Africa has disbanded racism through the government's initiative after the global news onslaught, our Malaysia government leaders are propagating RACISM and FACISM in every way.
In term of racism, we are the most uncivilised country in the world. Look into our neighbouring countries of Asia, they are advancing economically on a straight forward objective, for their citizens.
Whereas we are moving in deviationist path, widely off the international economic theory for the sole objective, of propelling the well being of a supreme race.
Mahathir era is over, here we have Badawi. Is he changing the trend? Not a single sign of it.
How about the future under Najib? Sad, sad. They have more camouflage in readiness.
Hey, you pathetic cow and all the babiputras who have the same feeling/thinking like them. You don't feel shame being spoon feed by government using the taxpayers money?
I guess all the protection policy make you all even more lazy and narrow minded and stupid. The majority of you once step out of the Malaysia soil will sure starve to death.
Hoy, I think you should try some pork meat once a while to make you more intelligent a bit. Look at around the world region, anti pork meat countries are mostly rippled with starving and war or worst, non-stop crying for government policy protection.
Fact is fact when you babiputras are stupid is always stupid - although it can be help by consistent protection and nourishment policy but the end result will not go far because the quality of gene is there.
woi...kalau korg sume nak kutuk pun kutuk kerajaan le sengal..
yg korg nak kutuk islam ngan melayu ni pehal..
cakap kat sini berani la..
nak kecoh2 cakap face tu face laa..
korg sume tu takat berani di mulut tp pengecut di depan..
dasar org tak sedar diri ngan tak bermoral..
pikir dulu le seblom cakap..
pikir serupe org tak berpelajaran..
xkemane le oi..
My message to the Indians/Tamils/Hindus that is not happy with life in Malaysia.....JUST MIGRATE TO UK, AUSTRALIA, USA OR EVEN BETTER TO TAMIL NADU. THE NGO'S OVERSEAS FIGHTING YOUR CAUSE SHOULD PUT THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTHS ARE...HELP YOU IN YOUR MIGRATION! MALAYSIA IS NOT A PERFECT SOCIETY, SO IS THE WESTERN DEMOCRACIES...BLACKS AND HISPANICS ARE 3RD CLASS IN USA, SUB CONTINENT PEOPLE ARE 2ND CLASS IN UK ETC. And why are you Indians still haven't move forward after 50 years of Merdeka? Because its your own culture and tradition, not because of the Malays...tambi, you know and I know that other Indian ethnic would not want to marry a Tamil...you are too low caste...this is a problem among Indians and has got nothing to do with the Malays. Also, even a dispatch rider expects to be given a RM 100,000 dowry....and this is imposed upon you by your own people! Stop whining Tambi...you are so pathethic that even the orang asli's have not respect for you! Ayo yo Tambi, better earn the respect or not we will have to send you back to Tamil Nadu and get your Tamil Nadu Chief Minister to give you citizenship....even the Western countries wouldn't want you...no standard, also whining, can't stand for themselves, and lastly....you got no class in promoting your cause...that Uthakayar guy actually want to migrate, so he create this situation and later tell US he is a political refugee, better give him asylum....podah! Temberang punya bangsa..
Hei Winner bastard, whose brother just had sex with his own mother and viola...you have a bastard brother...listen carefully...you are ashamed to be a Malaysian, then why whine? Just get lost. Go and migrate back to Tamil Nadu and then try to impress your Indian cousins that you are actually more high class then them....THATS WHY THEY CALL U GUYS KELING PARIAH, BECAUSE YOU GUYS, HOW RICH YOU ARE, STILL GOT NO CLASS, A PARIAH IS ALWAYS A PARIAH...YOU CANT HIDE YOUR ROOTS. AND THATS WHY PARIAH LADIES WHEN HAVE SEX SO NOISY BECAUSE THEY GOT NO CLASS. AND SO MANY TAMILS ARE SO EMBARASS TO ADMIT THAT THEY ARE TAMILS, THAT WHEN YOU ASK THEM " ARE YOU A TAMIL" AND WHAT IS THE REPLY? " NO, I'M CHRISTIAN! " SEE, EVEN TAMILS WILL TELL YOU THAT " YES, THE TAMILS/INDIANS/HINDUS THAT WENT TO THE KL STREETS RECENTLY GOT NO CLASS, AND ARE THE PARIAHS OF ALL MALAYSIAN PARIAHS.....GO CONTINUE FUCKING YOUR MOTHER, SHE NEEDS THE FUCK COZ YOUR FATHER IS TOO DRUNK WITH TODDY THAT HE CANT FUCK YOUR MOTHER. DO ALL OF US A FAVOUR, CAN YOU? TELL YOUR MUM NOT TO BE TOO LOUD COZ EVEN THE DOGS AND COWS ARE GETTING AROUSED!
One more...there is a saying in Malaysia that if you come across a snake and an Indian, better kill the Indian first. You can say that its a bloody racist saying but you have to admit that there must be a historical and cultural dimension to the above saying..........given half the chance, all the bloody 40000 pariahs who went to the streets recently would migrate to UK, US and Australia. And for sure, none would volunteer to migrate to Tamil Nadu ! You know and I know why....even this Rao blog owner will agree...coz that is their ultimate aim, to live and work in the west ( not west bengal, ok! ) No wonder the migration agents are making tons of money in India, coz every Indian possibly would want to migrate, and you have so many Indian fools in Malaysia who think that the Indian government can help them...are you guys drunk on toddy or what? Again, you can be drunk for all I care but dont be to noisy coz its sounds soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo pariahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
To Black is Beautiful
You have so much of hatred in you,you have a real problem of hate.You are the type of person that will run amok the minute yot get a chance.Wash you thoughts with acid.
This is cry from a deprived set of people,isn't this democracy,cant the people voice out their dissatisfaction.You really need help,you cant face the truth do you,how many tamil women have you slept with,none of them would look at you,ok
To Black is Beautiful
Class is not about looks,or what you wear and where you live.Class is your character,you ethics,your value system,your speech and etc.Class is not living on borrowed money and time,class is simply staying simple,in every circumstance.Class is feeling for the poor people,trying to walk in their shoes,that is class.Class is also knowing that God is watching you at all times.
To winner and the other cbink whose full of babis in their head. Since you are on the subject of pigs - dont be too humble la ,you guys really did well with that babi virus in Melaka a couple of years ago. Now we are known all over the world. Fuck you very much. You are what you eat ...how so true!
Bravo! Winner and Very Mad Person.
Sock it to the womb to tomb NEP vultures called Bumi Putras. Hey, those are Sanskrit words.
What heritage do malay pigs have?
How long is their culture? 300-400 years after being driven out from Yunan and kicked out from Indonesia? No decent Indon would call himself Melayu which means "get lost".
Oh, black is beautiful and other filthy malay commentors, you are all PARIAHS. Your forefathers were the low castes who converted.
Savvy????
Tsk..tsk..now you're showing what you just ate. How many thousand old culture? Sad, still no changes. As long as you keep eating em filth and I tell you.
There is no need to become angry at these agent provocateur Malays who are in here spewing nonsense.
Let the natural order run its course. In time, the Malays will find themselves in the shoes of the Indons or Filipinos.....they will be the imported butlers and maids of the world. (That is, if they don't ditch the lazy syndrome).
I'm sure they'd be thrilled to be working for the sheikhs of the middle east, a common importer of labor because they are afflicted by the lazy gene too (hmmm...wonder what the common thread is?). As it is, the kampung Malays offer up their virgin daughters to the Arabs to ambil berkat these days. In the future, you can ship your Minahs en masse to the pak sheikhs.
ooo..malay bashing can, but indian or chinese bashing cannot?...so fair huh?..poodah...
There is only one religion on earth which is beyond this religious and racial prejudice...everyone of you welcome to investigate it. Check out it's unique principles and see what it has to offer. A solution to all your problems, be it spiritual or governance problem...dear friends, it's knows as the 2nd fastest growing global religion in the world. Why so? Please go and investigate yourself www.bahai.org
Millions of Malaysian non-muslims have emigrated overseas because these are the experts and educated people who have read the Quran.
Once the Malaysian Muslims are allowed to read the Quran the future is bleak.
Non-muslims ONLY have three choices:-
1) Pay jiznya, that is the Malaysian Income Tax which is more than 80% paid by non-muslim Chinese according to TDM.
2) Convert to muslims.
3) Give a daughter, sister, mother or wife to muslims to have sex.
The three options above is already a known event as these are real facts in other muslim countries.
Christians in Malaysia pray that the local muslims will forever be NOT ALLOWED to read the Quran. Then only can we have peace.
Bulk of My Indians work in plantations that are owned by Amanah Saham's that give 10% to 12%guaranteed returns to Malaysian Malays.
It's nothing personal.
If the indians are not suppressed with poor salaries where do these Malays get their guaranteed money to have 2 cars and 2-3 motorbikes in their as one whole row of my Malay neighbours have?
Every single sen that the Malaysian Malays have comes from the Malaysian Indians.
Malaysian Indians cannot be allowed to be rich and leave their plantations otherwise who will pay the 10% to Malays?
God is fair.
Thats why the Malaysian Malays are forced to give the daughters for sex to Arabs.
Malays enslaved Indians via money.
Arabs enslaved Malays via sex thats even worse.
Wan,
you are right. The bashings should focus only on UMNOpukiputra Malays.
I am glad to say that they are a few Malaysian Malay who have totally refused any form of "free money" i.e gomen scholarships, bumi shares, 10% interest bumi amanah shares, house discount etc.
They know that these free money is tainted with Indian blood from the plantations. However these god-fearing Malays only form less than 1 percent of the Malay pop.
that mean more than 99% of god hating Malays have Indian blood on their hands literally.
Every time an Indian is killed in a plantation to give them 10% return on amanah shares the Malaysian Malay is responsible.
hope that the world will end soon...y? its better coz no more racist...right!no need to sakit kepala n sakit hati anymore.
I am beginning to feel that this blog by this so called Mr A.N.Onymous is created by BN or their cohorts.
They put in provocative articles,
let us stupid bloggers fill it in with hatred filled postings and use it to justify ban and threat of ISA for people who demonstrate.
Don't be fooled guys.
Ignore this blog.
come on guys do u want to see msia having problems as other countries.i m also an indian but certain way of these people dealings r irresponsible..do u tink v can leave in peace..dont u want our children leave in peace..wat will happen if our economy falls due to this then all of us going to suffer then no other countries going to help this indian as they say now..think indians v r still benefiting from our govt although in minority sense..v must understnd v r monority..if u want mojority benefits then msia doenst suits u..
hope that the world will end soon...y? its better coz no more racist...right!no need to sakit kepala n sakit hati anymore.
msia has been a pecefull country..this irresponsible people has made msia ugly by their act..there r proper channel to do everyting n surely not in this violent way..these people going around to other country to get support on this matter..surely its a shame for us n our country..there is no racial issue all this while till this raaly went on..will v indian be happy when v also bcome like slngkan indians and suffer for foods..how much will these people help u n your family..i wonder why our indian dont understand tht this is actually a politicall issue where they r trying to get support frm the indian in this way..v r matured enough..so pls think
Aha ! at last somebody mentioned hari khiamat.
Muslims believe that their hari khiamat will ONLY come when each and every Jew in the whole world is killed.
That includes Jews in planet Mars (if Jews managed to colonise Mars) has to be killed.
Hence the need for a nuclear weapon which makes killing of Jews more efficient.
However these Malaysian muslims does not know Jewish history about the lost tribes of Jews. Vast tracts of China, India, Japan, Korea have Jewish blood. Including Malaysian Chinese and Hindu Malaysian Indians. Hence in order for the Malaysian muslims to succeed they really need a nuclear weapon to burn the entire countries of China, India, Japan, Korea. Thats why SCOMI in Malaysia has to help the Iranians and supply parts to make the muslim nuclear bomb.
All in all some 5 billion people in this earth MUST BE KILLED for their end of the world. Thats why they need a nuclear bomb.
if you tink you dont like with all this system then dont call urself a msian n leave the country..dont eat the govt money..ask the these iresponsible pple to feed u n ur your famly..now v r known by all over the world for due to this act..wat a shame for us indians in msia..i tink v indians all this while was in peace till this rally wnt on..shame for all indians..no such thing fighting for our rites coz at the end v wont benefit anyting but will face a great lost!!!they who r doing this shud b independent part not in oppsition party so its clear all this r politcal issue to get the indian support in this way!!!!
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/
Quote "dont eat the govt money."
Unquote
According to TDM..... jiznya in Malaysia is mainly paid for by Malaysian Chinese the "Asian Jew".
Malaysian Chinese has got no problem with another "Asian Jew" the Malaysian Indian eating gomen money.
The problem is the enslavement of the Asian Jew.. the Malaysian Indian to get the 10% amanah interest that will doom the muslims.
The Bible is very clear on this...the Jews will be free. Its just a matter of time and the slavemasters will be doomed a la Bible style.
Come on Malaysian
Lets stop bashing each other. This is not the way we shd address the issue. By lambasting each other, things will get worse and at the end of the day, when the country is in turmoil, all of us will lose out. So think rationally and stop saying hurtful things. We are all malaysian and the country belong to us. Lets work hard and so all us will reap the rewards from good economy irrespective of any races.
The Bible clearly states that the Jews will bless all the countries that they go to.
One Asian Jew the Malaysian Chinese can support up to 10 Malaysian Malays. The other Asian Jew the Malaysian Indians also gives much blood money.
Hence the Malaysian Malays feast on their jiznya income.... and thats according from TDM himself who knows all the figures.
The plight of the Malaysian Indians is forecast to go from bad to massive slavery as more and muslims are imported into Malaysia from neighbouring countries. And that is from the horse mouth of a retired judge in Malaysia.
The critical jiznya level will come about when the non-malays reached the targeted (by muslims) level of 10% in the future say 2012 (thats the year being bandied about) (this coincides with the Mayan calender...hmm... wonder what that means?)
Along with these 10% non-muslim target level; Malaysian muslims also targeting increasing arabisation and islamisation in Malaysia.
Again some interesting facts and figures bandied about by Asian Jews in Malaysia.
Economy of Indonesia, Philippines and Thailand cannot be good coz level of Asian Jews there is less than 10%. Hence the Asian Jew cannot support the pop adequately.
Israel gives full unqualified support to Singapore; a nation of Asian Jews.
Israel is also very friendly to China and India.
Have you all ever wondered why Malaysian Malays have always been brainwashed to be hostile to Singapore?
go to
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-kills-muhammad-seeds-terrorism.htm
You stinking malay pig, please get the f*** back to your own land in Aceh or Jawa, whatever. Because this is Tanah Orang Asli and malay pig like you are pendatang!
To someone……….time and time again we have said that the malays are from Jawa. I always say that they are from Aceh, Sumatra, etc - do you see anyone of these racists (obviously malays) objecting to that fact?
This is the truth and they cannot handle this. They don't dare say that because it is so true! Even Mahathir admitted recently - the origins of the malays are not Malaysia but Indonesia - Sumatra and island etc.
The real bumis are the natives of Borneo and the Orang Asli. Not these malay free loaders and wasted sperms.
"Son of the soil" incorrect! More appropriate term would be "Rapist of the soil"! Malays are pendatang, they called Chinese and Indians pendatang! Tak malu!
To malays pendatang from Indonesia, you are also enemy to Indonesia, stupid! Apa? Tak faham English? Makan tahi dan berambus balik ke Jawa! Setia kepada negara Indonesia! So are you, malay pig!
Aren't you a bloody hypocrite? You are not the Orang Asli of this country - you are an immigrant from Jawa, Sulawesi, all elsewhere - why did you come here to this country then?
Why not help your own country (or should I say your dilapidated kampung in Jawa) and improve the situation then? What……….what did you say? Oh you want a better life is it? I see - so what does that make you? A patriotic fake? Or a hypocrite with no substance?
Compare China and Indonesia - then tell me who is faring better in the international stage! You useless malay pig. At the end of the day - you work for me.
Obviously, you are worse than shit. Not pigs, for pigs are really smart animals. Tanah Melayu my ass! Orang Asli were here before your ancestors crept onto this land. Learn some history, ok? Of course, you can always change history! Tak malu kah!
You are sick in the brain, thanks to Mahathir!
Chinese got pissed off as not all Chinese are rich, but all work their asses off to make an honest living, while idiots like you think that you are entitled to riches without sweating. What discontent? After all the handouts all these years, you still couldn't get your acts together, and you want to blame others, the Chinese, the Indians? Where is your dignity?
What anger? You get angry at the Olympics because malays can't run faster than the Americans? The Aussies? The Chinese? (Just imagine some of you jokers made it to the Olympics, although none did!)
If you want to run amok, go ahead, join the apes and chimpanzees, your kind have been doing that at UPM, brainless monkeys they are, and so are you, go flock together.
The reason why malays tend to run "amok" is because of close relative breeding. Just like non-high breed dogs - brother have sex with the mother, and father marry their own sister, and the confusion goes on.
The end result is non-high breed dogs - that are difficult to train and tend to even bite their own master. Unlike the Chinese, they are very careful not to have too close relative marrying one another.
That is why you can see how Chinese excel in different part of the world. The Chinese are indeed a world race now, as China progress with such speed which is unknown off in any other race in the world!
Singapore is a fine example of Chinese superiority! Sad news for the malay race but then again it is the truth!
(Malay extremists racists are going to call you pendatang etc, even hang you upside down by your balls, for socking them in the balls where it hurts most, like you did.
But you have been brave in telling them the truth about the dark side of their race which explains why they are so backward. God be with you……….)
Rich and successful Chinese don't owe you a thing. Not so successful Chinese are working honestly to make ends meet. So, you either work, or go get fed in the ass by Mahathir, ok? He won't charge you for the ecstasy and the service you may receive.
You are nothing but scum. You give fellow malays a bad name. You make your parents lose face. When you look in the mirror, what do you see? A good-for-nothing idiot! That is all there is in you.
You are a babi hutan from either the jungle of Jawa or Sumatra. All you Umno malay pig are in fact pendatang to this Tanah Orang Asli. So get the f*** out of my country!
According to a recent study through secret agency, Nihon Himitsu Oruganitsum Bureau, shows that malays were descended from the hybrid between hog/boar and baboon, hence explains why they look like baboon and they don't eat pork.
Our latest DNA analysis confirmed the fact.
The Japanese, Europeans etc, all eat pork, so does that mean they are all dirty and only the malays and Arabs are clean?
These malays have no brains to think properly.
The secret agency study also finds that Muslims are more violent, lazy, cunning and barbaric due to the lack of pork in their meal and the wrong doctrine.
They had been misled by Quran for generations which was copied and twisted by Muhammad from Holy Bible just to control his followers so that they don't harm their same species/ancestor (the hybrid between hog/boar and baboon).
They came in Tanah Melayu……….You mean Tanah Orang Asli, they Jawanese pirate descendent came in!
Perhaps that is what we should give these ungrateful leeches like malay pig ultra:
Non-malay businesses should just pack up and leave, taking with them their capitals and investments. Non-malays with the means should emigrate.
Then these sick brain malay pig morons not only can keep their 30% NEP, they can have 100%……….of nothing.
And we sit back and watch them implode under the heavy load of their bureaucracy, crutch and religious fundamentalism.
As for implosions, that is the only way malays are going to head if they don't pull their heads out of the sand soon. The world doesn't owe you jack shit, and very soon reality will catch up with the lot of you. You can either embrace reality or perish by it.
As a non-malay and proud of it, I am ashamed to associate myself with hypocrites like you and your followers. I chose to leave the land of my birth because of people like you and guess what! No regrets whatsoever. Best decision I have ever made.
There is no reason for malay pig to be poor unless they are ass lazy or mental deformed or real stupid..........pick your choice.
Bodoh punya melayu babi……….
Baik balik ke tanah melayu la. We are natives of Sabah and Sarawak land - buat apa kamu punya orang datang sini menjajah kita oh?
Kita tak suka kamu orang datang sini mengorek sumber petroleum tanah kita - this Sabah and Sarawak land not belongs to your malay pig.
Get out from Sabah and Sarawak la!
Bodoh melayu babi!
This malay pig race is so stupid, that they'd never amount to anything in this world.
This message board has been here for awhile, and if anyone goes back, there is no one message, that talks good about this stupid malay pig race, because everybody knows how stupid, and hateful this malay pig race is all about.
The malay pig will crumble from internal weaknesses and disappear in era of globalization - no need for others to colonize them.
Because malay pig like to be parasites and feed on the Chinese income tax!
Wait until the malay pig population increase to 90% in Malaysia, the same ratio as in Indonesia, then you will know the meaning of poor, as there will be too many malay pig to subsidize.
Then the economy collapse.
The malay pig are actually digging their own grave and they are trying to dig a deeper and bigger one now.
But all of them I have to see are being manipulated by certain top malay politicians so they will support them.
There show that the general malay pig are quite stupid and can't think outside the box.
Only 1% of the malay pig can make it and they are the exceptions. If malay pig are not stupid, what are they?
If all malay pig jump into sea and all die!
This world will become very very beautiful.
Going by the sentence structure and paragraph separation, most of the incendiary comments here come from the same person posting under multiple names or as an anonymous.
This is a UMNO cybertrooper website.
Be warned.
to all malay haters- in the end you're just that. Ha..ha... plain jealous. Hati Kaudu.Hey, we dont give a shit la, go away n be happy. find your own happiness. AND we know everywhere you go you are being despised. YOU ARE TROUBLE EVERYWHERE YOU GO.
PS: DONT FORGET TO TAKE YOUR AGING FOLKS WITH YOU . DONT JUST DUMP THEM IN THE OLD FOLKS HOME HERE OK.
Quote "Hey, we dont give a shit la, go away n be happy." Unquote That is interesting....it's just another variant of "Balik thongsan" or "Balik India"
People who dun give a shit wun bother to post comments.
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/12/4/worldupdates/2007-12-04T005231Z_01_NOOTR_RTRMDNC_0_-308065-3&sec=Worldupdates
says " But the new assessment found Iran was continuing to develop technical capabilities that could be used to build a bomb and that it would likely be capable of producing enough highly enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon "sometime during the 2010-2015 time-frame." Unquote.
That is quite interesting, and with Malaysia's SCOMI allegedly helping as well. (Pls note that SCOMI denies knowledge that parts supplied were for atomic weapons activity. This denial is a double edged sword. This shows how backward and stupid the Malaysian Malays are. They are so backward and stupid that they cannot underdstand atomic activity parts have a certain shape.)
Hmmmmm .......again the years are so near to the Mayan calender of 2012.....
Maybe the year 2012 will see the complete burning and destruction of all seven major Jewish population centers of India, China, Japan, Korea, USA, UK and Israel. And our Malaysia Boleh's Malays will have helped.
Dun Malaysian Malays feel proud that they have helped to achieve their muslim hari khiamat to destroy the world of any trace of Jewish blood?
www.bible.ca says "......
After moving to Medina, Muhammad began to have conflict with the Jews and pagans in the area. I'll focus on several incidents, not necessarily in chronological order, that illustrate Muhammad as a terrorist. The first terrorist incident involves Muhammad's command to his followers to "kill any Jew that comes under your power". From Guillaume, op cit, page 369:
"The apostle said, "Kill any Jew that falls into your power." Thereupon Muhayyisa b. Masud leapt upon Ibn Sunayna, a Jewish merchant with whom they had social and business relations, and killed him. Huwayyisa was not a Muslim at the time though he was the elder brother. When Muhayyisa killed him Huwayyisa began to beat him, saying, 'You enemy of God, did you kill him when much of the fat on your belly comes from his wealth?" Muhayyisa answered, "Had the one who ordered me to kill him ordered me to kill you I would have cut your head off."
This story is also supported in the Sunan of Abu Dawud, Book 19, Number 2996:
Narrated Muhayyisah: The Apostle of Allah said: If you gain a victory over the men of Jews, kill them. So Muhayyisah jumped over Shubaybah, a man of the Jewish merchants. He had close relations with them. He then killed him. At that time Huwayyisah (brother of Muhayyisah) had not embraced Islam. He was older than Muhayyisah. When he killed him, Huwayyisah beat him and said: O enemy of Allah, I swear by Allah, you have a good deal of fat in your belly from his property.
This murder was committed upon Muhammad's command. Note that this Muslim murderer would have killed a family member at the drop of a hat. Muhammad was no better than a bigoted criminal boss, ordering his men to wantonly murder Jewish people. Hitler did this. And, this is what the Serbs did to the Kosovan Muslims. Muhammad's command to murder Jews puts him in the same category as Milosovic, Hitler, and others who have persecuted Jews throughout history. A quote from an Islamic scholar - Wensinck writes in his, "Muhammad and the Jews of Medina" [2], page 113:
"It is remarkable that tradition attributes Muhammad's most cruel acts to divine order, namely the siege of Qaynuqa, the murder of Kab, and he attack upon Qurayzah. Allah's conscience seems to be more elastic than that of his creatures.".....Ibn Ishaq and al-Waqidi report that the prophet said the morning after the murder (of Kab Ashraf), "Kill any Jew you can lay your hands on."
This incident is also documented in Tabari's History [3], page 97 of volume 7. This shows that Muhammad had unsuspecting people, those who even had good relations with Muslims, murdered in cold blood because they were Jewish. There was no justification to murder these Jews other than they were not Muhammad's followers. These actions were the work of Muhammad's terrorists committing murder.
The second terrorist incident involves another one of Muhammad's requests: this one for his men to murder an old Jewish man named Abu Afak. Abu Afak was 120 years. Afak had urged his fellow Medinans to question Muhammad. From Guillaume, op cit., page 675:
SALIM B. UMAYR'S EXPEDITION TO KILL ABU AFAK
Abu Afak was one of the B. Amr b. Auf of the B. Ubayda clan. He showed his disaffection when the apostle killed al-Harith b. Suwayd b. Samit and said:
"Long have I lived but never have I seen
An assembly or collection of people
More faithful to their undertaking
And their allies when called upon
Than the sons of Qayla when they assembled,
Men who overthrew mountains and never submitted,
A rider who came to them split them in two (saying)
"Permitted", "Forbidden", of all sorts of things.
Had you believed in glory or kingship
You would have followed Tubba
[NOTE: the Tubba was a ruler from Yemen who invaded that part of what is present Saudi Arabia: the Qaylites resisted him]
The apostle said, "Who will deal with this rascal for me?" Whereupon Salim b. Umayr, brother of B. Amr b. Auf, one of the "weepers", went forth and killed him. Umama b. Muzayriya said concerning that:
You gave the lie to God's religion and the man Ahmad! [Muhammad]
By him who was your father, evil is the son he produced!
A hanif gave you a thrust in the night saying
"Take that Abu Afak in spite of your age!"
Though I knew whether it was man or jinn
Who slew you in the dead of night (I would say naught).
Additional information is found in the Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, (Book of the Major Classes) by Ibn Sa'd, Volume 2, [4], page 32:
Then occurred the "sariyyah" [raid] of Salim Ibn Umayr al-Amri against Abu Afak, the Jew, in [the month of] Shawwal in the beginning of the twentieth month from the hijrah [immigration from Mecca to Medina in 622 AD], of the Apostle of Allah. Abu Afak, was from Banu Amr Ibn Awf, and was an old man who had attained the age of one hundred and twenty years. He was a Jew, and used to instigate the people against the Apostle of Allah, and composed (satirical) verses [about Muhammad]. Salim Ibn Umayr who was one of the great weepers and who had participated in Badr, said, "I take a vow that I shall either kill Abu Afak or die before him. He waited for an opportunity until a hot night came, and Abu Afak slept in an open place. Salim Ibn Umayr knew it, so he placed the sword on his liver and pressed it till it reached his bed. The enemy of Allah screamed and the people who were his followers, rushed to him, took him to his house and interred him.
From a contemporary Muslim scholar - Ali Dashti's "23 Years: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammad", [5], page 100:
"Abu Afak, a man of great age (reputedly 120 years) was killed because he had lampooned Mohammad. The deed was done by Salem b. Omayr at the behest of the Prophet, who had asked, "Who will deal with this rascal for me?" The killing of such an old man moved a poetess, Asma b. Marwan, to compose disrespectful verses about the Prophet, and she too was assassinated."
Prior to listing all of the assassinations Muhammad had ordered, Ali Dashti writes on page 97:
"Thus Islam was gradually transformed from a purely spiritual mission into a militant and punitive organization whose progress depended on booty from raids and revenue from the zakat tax."
Unquote.
www.bible.ca says.....
Let's sum this up and put it in perspective. Muhammad had al-Harith b. Suwayd b. Samit killed. This upset Abu Afak, so he spoke out against it. So, likewise, Muhammad had Abu Afak murdered. This offended Asma b. Marwan and she spoke out against that evil deed. She encouraged her fellow tribesmen to take action against Muhammad. When Muhammad heard of what she had said, he had her killed also. At first glance, this order to kill Asma might seem justifiable. Asma was calling for someone to kill Muhammad. It is understandable for Muhammad to be bothered by that.
But let's look deeper at the event and examine the context of Asma's relationship to her tribe.
1) First of all, Asma has seen Muhammad in action. She had seen him for what he was, a cold blooded murderer. Of course she spoke out against a murderer. Second, her tribe was not under Muhammad's rule. Perhaps they had a treaty with Muhammad, perhaps not. Either way, this women was free to speak her mind. If a treaty existed, and if Muhammad thought that she was out of line, Muhammad could have complained to her tribe's leaders, and they could have commanded her to be silent or dealt with the situation.
2) What's more noteworthy about this event is that after she was murdered, Muhammad said "Two goats won't butt their head about her", meaning no one will care about her death. (Well except her children and her family). Also note, that there were already people from her tribe who had become Muslims. Certainly these people were not going to listen to her. The point is this: if no one really cared about her being murdered, then no one really cared about what she had to say. Her people also knew about Muhammad having Abu Afak murdered, and they didn't care about that either. Even in that light, no one would take her serious enough to listen to her urgings to murder Muhammad, who was the leader of a powerful group of people. None of her people were willing to put their lives on the line for her words. The bottom line is that Asma b. Marwan was not a legitimate threat to Muhammad. She didn't scare him, she was not the leader of her tribe, and she had little or no influence. She was little more than a nuisance to him. And one wonders why Muhammad didn't kill her himself? It was always easier for Muhammad to have someone else do his killing.
Put the shoe on the other foot. Throughout the Middle East, there are Muslims who call America the Great Satan. These Muslims have called for the violent destruction of America. Frequently great crowds have gathered to chant "death to America, or death to one of its presidents." At times these people have even murdered Americans. Now, if America, or its president, were to use Muhammad's standards, they would engage in killing multitudes Muslims, because Muslims criticized America. America could justify its action by appealing to Muhammad’s standards of treating those who criticized him. But we know that the chanting of a crowd of hot-heads does not necessitate the use of violence against them. There are better ways to deal with critics and criticisms. Frequently, in the passion of youth, people do and say things they don't intend to act out, or are not able to carry out. Given time, people can change, and pursue peaceful dialog. But if one applied Muhammad's standards, American would be justified in bombing Tehran; Israel would be justified in wiping out hundreds of thousands of Arab Muslims.
The only conclusion is that this lady troubled Muhammad and he wanted her silenced. Again, like Abu Afak, she was murdered in the night while she slept. What type of people murder those that sleep? Criminals!
Quote ....What's more noteworthy about this event is that after she was murdered, Muhammad said "Two goats won't butt their head about her", meaning no one will care about her death. (Well except her children and her family).
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Well! What do you know!... This applies to all killed in Kampung Medan too.....
Muhammad's command to his followers to "kill any Jew that comes under your power". From Guillaume, op cit, page 369:
Thank God! Malaysian Muslims are NOT ALLOWED to read the Quran otherwise HINDRAF will not exist.
Every man, woman and child who is a Jew and perhaps not a muslim in Malaysia will be killed based on the Quran.
Quote "Non-malay businesses should just pack up and leave, taking with them their capitals and investments. Non-malays with the means should emigrate.
Then these sick brain malay pig morons not only can keep their 30% NEP, they can have 100%……….of nothing."
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Yes we can do that. Though the Bible clearly says the Jews' role is to bless all the nations of the world that they go and seek the peace of it.
Hence you dun see MyC and MyI commit atrocities. refer also Kampung Medan dead where the 4 dead are MyI and 1 dead are Indonesian. Do you see Malaysian Malays dead (The grand total Malay dead is a fat zero) in Kampung Medan? Killing people is not the recommended thingy to do for non-muslims.
Why do the Muslims hate the Jews so much?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-02-18-malaysia-nuke-trader_x.htm
says....
President Bush last week called Tahir the "chief financial officer and money launderer" of the black market network led by Khan, who has admitted selling nuclear technology and know-how to Iran, North Korea and Libya.
Kamaluddin's company, the Scomi Group, previously acknowledged that Scomi Precision Engineering, a subsidiary, fulfilled a contract for machine parts that was negotiated by Tahir.
Nonproliferation authorities say the parts were for centrifuges — sophisticated machines that can be used to enrich uranium for weapons and other purposes — but Scomi says it did not know what the parts were to be used for.
Rohaida Badaruddin, a Scomi spokeswoman, confirmed Tuesday that Tahir was a Kaspadu director until early last year, and said it was likely Kamaluddin encountered Tahir at business meetings.
Yup! Malaysia Boleh!
Quote "Why do the Muslims hate the Jews so much?" Unquote
Good Question...
In fact VERY GOOD QUESTION!
Many have asked this question.
www.bible.ca answers it very well.
Let me summarise it for you here in one sentence, you will be confused over there.
Islam is a "copy religion". In order for the copy to gain in value, the original must be destroyed. Like say an original masters artwork say by Renior, and you have a copy as well. Once the original is destroyed, the copy becomes the original.
Hence Muslims have to destroy all the Jews in the world and that means the major 7 Jewish population centers in the world of India, China, Japan, Korea, USA, UK and Israel must be destroyed.
Once the "original" is destroyed; Islam becomes the original religion.
Just ponder this 'ordinary Malay Malaysian view (..ok, so they have mixed Gujerati or swam in from Sumatra) 50 years on ,we think we are brothers, We know we are still that. We have been giving OUR votes (all MIC seats), so Tamil Malaysian brothers can have their say too. We may not live together, but accept to live side by side.
50 years later, a fighter warrior comes in the form of HINDRAF and claims his people *Indian Tamils and his religion has been getting a raw deal due to the Malay Malaysian religious extremism and his greed??
You say: Malays are greedy ,extreme and unfair all this while?.
Then Malay guy says: So, you want to play fair/democracy?Lets start soon, then I can now begin to be greedy and bad and extreme as much as I like because remember this internationally accepted fact-in any democracy-MAJORITY RULES!! Forget fairness.
P.S Tamil Hindu Hindraf just showed the way.
No more two-tongue deceptions like "the Indians* are only fighting for their rights" or "it was KJ" or "Rocky is inciting this" kind of bullshit, when the debate heats up.
The FACT now is:it's not even and "Indian" issue (there no Indian Malaysian in Malaysia). This is a HINDRAF or in plain truth a 'Tamil' Hindu (..I dont know if they want to identify themselves as Malaysian Tamil Hindu or Indian Tamil Hindu or whatever-but I think they prefer the latter where there is no suggestion of Malay in it).
And these LTTE wanabees, in their insinuations has actually declared openly their utter hatred towards the Majority Islam folks-guilty or not. No wonder these kinds had problems before in Sri Lanka, Fiji,Uganda,Kenya.However,curiously,they do seem at peace when they given abode at the Queen's country-probably that's where they want to be after all.
Intentionally or not, They have pissed off the Majority Malay and Muslims-(*Malaysian Tamil Muslim included). Let's see how this movie ends and who comes out crying.
>Not an UMNO cyber-trooper
To all 'liberal seeming' wanabees. Come with any root-cause theory or justification you wish. By all means blame Khairy, Pak lah, UMNO,BN...anything.Play your game anyway you like it. BUT make when you even begin to insinuate the Majority, their Religion, then your intention becomes clear, and it is a very stupid one.
P.S And I can assure you I'm no UMNO cyber-what-not coming to provoke here.
These Tamil Hindus has got every right to create any drama they choose to highlight their plight-NO doubt about this. BUT, when they start pointing away at the Majority and blaming Islam extremism,temple demolishing and what not as the cause;We know ,they know,everyone knows that they're all pumped up for a toddy shop style brawl. Is that what the Tamil Hindu wants?TEPOK DADA TANYA SELERA!! (I'm not picking a fight -I'm asking a legitimate question)
Quote "they're all pumped up for a toddy shop style brawl."..... Unquote
you mean a MAIKA or an MIC Meeting syle activity?
A bOY'S STORY:
i am moving with appa to US/AUS/UK where i can get proper Tamil Schooling.
On Deepavali, it a 2 day National Holiday. When i grow up, i'll build many temples anywhere i please like Under Sydney Bridge,Near London Bridge or beside the Statue of Liberty.
When i'm strong i will make it compulsory for an Indian to be VP of USA, and 20% of house of Commons or something like that.
And last, i'll make sure Tamil is 3rd language of UN, and 1st National language of INDIA.
This all when i grow up.
Rumbu thanks for reading
Hello?
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Is that what the Tamil Hindu wants?TEPOK DADA TANYA SELERA!! (I'm not picking a fight -I'm asking a legitimate question)
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you may not have noticed this...
Quote.
But we know that the chanting of a crowd of hot-heads does not necessitate the use of violence against them. There are better ways to deal with critics and criticisms. Frequently, in the passion of youth, people do and say things they don't intend to act out, or are not able to carry out. Given time, people can change, and pursue peaceful dialog.
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Actually HINDRAF was not relevant and a minor bug which can be swatted of.
The mistake was actually in getting offended and proceeding to waste time swatting it off. Anybody whether Majority or whatever getting involved ...loses out.
and
BTW I have 100% no doubt whatsover the Authorities being BN or Police or Majority wins in all such cases.
The best thing was actually to ignore the bug and maybe talk to it later when the bug was not in stinging mood.
Quote"a fighter warrior comes in the form of HINDRAF and claims his people *Indian Tamils and his religion has been getting a raw deal due to the Malay Malaysian religious extremism and his greed??
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This does indeed sound like an Eqyptian Pharaoh talking to Moses.
The difference is of course the Malaysian Pharaoh is telling the MyI to get the F(+3 more letters) off my land now! Poorah and Go Back to India. Do it Now. Make it Happen!
The problem is the MyI has got no place to go. India does not want them!
Hence the powers that be being all rich, all powerful and all knowing should sit back and be more compassionate or the generations that follow us will judge us harshly.
Quote guy says:
"The best thing was actually to ignore the bug and maybe talk to it later when the bug was not in stinging mood."
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- You're dad and one of your kid wants to burn the house, ok let him burn it first and da'll talk to him after he cools:)..are you real?
Another wise guy says:
"This does indeed sound like an Eqyptian Pharaoh talking to Moses"
-Moses did not unwittingly (read stupidly) piss-off Pharoah, so yes that makes Pharoah a bad ass.
STOP WHINING and sort out your own problems (..you can start with MIC first-in fact Malays sacrificed votes so Indian could have some speak/seat.Please,dont let these Toddy-Cultured fools potray Malaysian Tamil Hindus as uncivilised Pharoahs trying to dictate to other Malaysian listen to them.No want wants to hear if you yell-for all we care why dont you yell at MIC (Malays help you put them there...FOR YOU!!
This reminds me of the JPJ Director General telling those big 20 ton lorry drivers to treat all those small cars and small motorbikes as their little brothers.
I drive a big cc car and if I were to ram any small cars or motorbikes everytime they offend me by turning and zooming all over f(+6 more letters) place (and that is everyday) I might be committing genocide everyday.
Whatever HINDRAF has done, they are poor and are our small brothers.
Being all rich all powerful all knowing all controlling lets treat HINDRAF as our small brother... lets not abuse younglings huh?
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- You're dad and one of your kid wants to burn the house, ok let him burn it first and da'll talk to him after he cools:)..are you real?
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Oh yah! My house means nothing to me. A man is not defined by his house or the quality and quantity of his houses or the quality and quantity of his cars etc etc ad nauseaum.
Lets not build material things on this earth that crumbles.
Another wise quote:
"Whatever HINDRAF has done, they are poor and are our small brothers"
>>Agreed. We are Brother Malaysian: our younglings MUST play as much as they like, BUT younglings should NEVER play with fire-or else, everyone gets burn..dont you think so? Or is it you dont mind getting burnt (..i meant in a real BIG burn context)
Yet another:
"Being all rich all powerful all knowing all controlling lets treat HINDRAF as our small brother... lets not abuse younglings huh?"
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>>Rich? Dont agree! There are also poor n not so knowing/controlling in any section of the Malaysian communities.This should not be a significant factor.
No more two-tongue deceptions like "the Indians* are only fighting for their rights" or "it was KJ" or "Anwar is inciting this" kind of bullshit, when the debate heats up-dont change color!
The FACT now is:it's not even and "Indian" issue (there no Indian Malaysian in Malaysia). This is a HINDRAF or in plain truth a 'Tamil' Hindu (..I dont know if they want to identify themselves as Malaysian Tamil Hindu or Indian Tamil Hindu or whatever-but I think they prefer the latter where there is no suggestion of Malay in it).
And these LTTE wanabees, in their insinuations has actually declared openly their utter hatred towards the Majority Islam folks-guilty or not. No wonder these kinds had problems before in Sri Lanka, Fiji,Uganda,Kenya.However,curiously,they do seem at peace when they given abode at the Queen's country-probably that's where they want to be after all.
Intentionally or not, They have pissed off the Majority Malay and Muslims-(*Malaysian Tamil Muslim included). Let's see how this movie ends and who comes out crying.My Tamil Hindu Brothers: beware what you wish for,cos'it may just come thru'
>Not an UMNO cyber-trooper (who loves tosai telor).
Hail the Holy quote:
"Oh yah! My house means nothing to me. A man is not defined by his house or the quality and quantity of his houses or the quality and quantity of his cars etc etc ad nauseaum.
Lets not build material things on this earth that crumbles"
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>>You sure you sure about this?Maybe you overlook some Airline/Telcos/Banks/Money Lenders etc etc ad nausea.I can say this to my MALAYsian Tamil Hindu Brothers- YELL all you like BUT please step on own foot-avoid stepping on others!
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Intentionally or not, They have pissed off the Majority Malay and Muslims-(*Malaysian Tamil Muslim included). Let's see how this movie ends and who comes out crying.My Tamil Hindu Brothers: beware what you wish for,cos'it may just come thru'
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I must admit that I am pissed off too by their latest racial activity in court. Even the three free legal aid Bar Council lawyers were so D(+5 letters) pissed off that they discharged themselves.
However we should cool off rationally.
We are defined by how we treat our enemies (HINDRAF in this case) and not how we treat our friends.
MALAYSIA is NOT an estate TODDY Shop.
See the movie Kingdom of Heaven. Essentially fiction but that part where the great Muslim warrior Salahhudin gave all Jerusalem Christians free safe conduct passage back to Christian lands were actually true facts.
Another interesting fact by a historian....quote "those who held Jerusalem the longest were those who were fair and moderate and allowed all religions equal access to Jerusalem."
Hence lets all treat HINDRAF in a way, and a fair way so that we will not end up ashamed of ourselves.
hmmm what a joke.........all of u are fighting for the right of hindu's or indian ? pls stop talking about india for they themselves don't even take care of their citizen. U holding malaysia I/C or perhaps India ? i'm not saying the umno is 100% correct but who rules the country is it umno or with MCA and MIC. Anyway u choose to still be in this country after 1957 although British has given the choices !! If the chinese who are very good and outstanding why don't they be a good example for opening all the chinese own company to other races ? how many malays or indian in your company ? what position do they hold ? for starter u chinese better teach us malay who are stupid the meaning of democracy. We malays give singapore to u chinese who are very clever and good...so what hapenned in singapore cabinet ? In Malaysia in chinese majority area, the MP are Chinese so is indian area, but what happened to malay area such as Bkt gantang, Perak and etc ? Yes i agreed that malays are stupid for treating all of u as a friend as a citizen.... but what happened to chinese and again i agreed because chinese is so clever for exploiting indian and malay for their own agenda. 13 Mei ?? the fight start because DAP has won and the first thing they do is to kill malay and oust them from the area ? hahahah what a joke. Malay buy a house and get 5% discaunt ???? hmmm well my fellow indian do u know that if u are a chinese u can easily start a business bcoz if malay buy 1 dozen of shirt the price is surely different but if u are a chinese definately the prize will be lesser ? well we know about that but as a malaysian we just ignore.... so please don't talk much.
When PKR do a demostration that can endangered other's we malay also oppose that but why when hindraf do such a thing everybody start playing with religous and etc....pls focus on the issue and not religous
No need to look up to space tourist as hero. Look up to the greatest muslim conqueror warrior ever - Salahhudin the conqueror of Jerusalem as a hero. Salahuddin or Saladin who always treats his enemies fairly.
wahai kawan2...
dah la tu.. nasib baik korang semua tinggal dan lahir kat malaysia tanah melayu ni...
belajar balik sejarah...
cuba fahami, orang melayu ni sabar orangnya, berlapis cakapnya, banyak beralah... beralah lagi... tak apalah... tak mengapalah... lebih kuranglah... kira halal lah..
cubalah korang jadi minoriti di negara "lain2" nun... taulah apa untung nasib korang...
tak percaya periksa sendiri, pergi belajar lagi... lepas tu baru korang rasa nak bersyukur...
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tak percaya periksa sendiri, pergi belajar lagi... lepas tu baru korang rasa nak bersyukur...
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I agree with you. My much much better than most countries. Definitely mush better than India, much better than China, much better than US, UK etc etc ad nauseaum. That does not mean that we should stop improving Yah?
Advance and progress is the natural order of things... to love My is to improve My. Lets not be contented and stop improving.
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"Advance and progress is the natural order of things... to love My is to improve My. Lets not be contented and stop improving"
>> Agreed 100%...BUT stop stepping on my foot while you do that improving.Is that too nmuch to ask?
All this fuss is about:
An estate toddy shop brawl started by Autha-aya who is preparing to get his 'ass-sylum' visa approved by the queen after rejecting a post in the Tamil Nadu cabinet. Psst Uthaya..do yourself a favor,dont look back when you're leaving- Malaysia is not 'up to your (low) standard.
Look forward to see that new temple you're building beside buckingham palace.
Know what malay pig? A suck babi hutan pendatang from Indonesia, pencuri of Tanah Orang Asli, should be caught by all the Chinese whom you have insulted.
They will then pack you in a pig basket, parade you round Chinatown in KL, to let the Chinese pelt rotten eggs, throw shit and pour all the pig shit from the nearby pig farms on your head.
Then let them take you out of your pig basket and roast you over an extremely hot fire until you become barbecued pork. After that chop your stinking carcass and leave it in the streets of rural for all those vultures and crows to feed on. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Why only malays? You think this country is yours alone? What has the government really done for the pribumis and the Orang Asli? Look at how Umno has screwed up Sabah Indonesians and Filipinos getting citizenship and enjoying the same benefits as you the moment they hop off the boat!
You go ask the government to stop all that then I will stop thinking you are speaking through your asshole.
Podah! You are nothing but a chauvinist malay pig like the rest.
It seems like Malaysia is still not ready for globalisation because of a bunch of anti-social racist morons like you. Our country already independent for so many donkey years but sorry to see still got such shortsighted moron like you.
Bangsa melayu failed in the past 30 years with lots of help from Umno but still failed! Then they blame the Chinese cheat la, marginalise them la, this la that la……….so much excuses! If you are pariah, forever you are pariah!
If you malay pig race lazy, no matter how much with the government help, it will back to square.
For me, I just speak up what I had observed and not like the malay race who is always jealous about other race success. Bad hearted.
What the hell you ask all the Chinese to get out from Malaysia in your comment post? It is proven you are another racist moron bastard!
Malay failure is the fact! It has been happened since 30 years ago and not just now. If you keep on denying it proven again you are just another loser or hypocrite!
Truth - what is so proud of asking Chinese to be like your kind of robbers, liars, cheaters in Malaysia? Kaum tongkat yang langsung tak tahu malu! Yes, you motherf***ker are stupid, lazy, fanatic, thus you need tongkat forever! Dick head!
Kaum tongkat still can survive in most of the zoos overseas. See the UPM red shirt "Orang Utan". At least they could be the laughing stock to this world.
If malays with 50% population in Malaysia none of them success, then I reckon you jump to the sea. That so!
Once again, with you racist pig moron, Malaysia wouldn't go far as far as globalisation is all about!
You are truly one of those Umno babi hutan with shit plastered all over your brain and fulfilling Hang Tuah policy in reverse! With babi hutan like you whose brains are filled with tahi babi - it would be melayu akan hilang di dunia!
The malay pig have drawn up a plan to displace all non-malays. They are discriminating against all non-malays. More and more non-malays are leaving.
You know why he/she need to leave……….? It is all because of those idiots who voted for the pig government to chase those talents out of this country.
This scenario would stay.
They would prefer to remain backward, so long as they are in control over you and me. I think they enjoy seeing non-malays 'begging' all the time.
Even though they are left far behind Korea, Taiwan and now Thailand is coming up strong. To them these are not competitors. In their narrow mind, the 'enemies' are local non-malays. Must suppress, by all means.
All malay pig are programmed to be promoted much faster ahead of non-malays the moment they join University Malaya. Soon University Malaya will be dominated by malay pig and the ranking will slip further.
Most of the malay pig in Malaysia cannot think clearly, their mind and thinking are clouded by such things as comfort zone, frog-in-a-well syndrome, ignorance, racial pride, stubbornness, etc.
We can't change it politically, you are wrong. We will.
Once this country is run by terms of equal rights, where each citizen play by the rules and regulations of total fairness, then we shall see where the malays will stand.
Right down at the bottom? Most probably, yes! Not only the non-malays will agree, the whole world would probably agree as well. In fact some malays will agree this as well.
The only thing that all of us can see, whether you are a Malaysian, or non-Malaysian, is that the malays here will never change. Not now, never will.
Your level of intelligence and pathetic sense of judgement depict not only how truthfully and incompetently low life beings you are, crawling at the lowest level of the human hierarchy, begging for alms, practically putting all your grotesque clown-butt ugly faces in front of the world, self admitting that even maggots feasting on a pile of dung, looks and sounds much much better.
You defense on your own race, will not conclude anything, but strengthen the fact that even your pure existence in this very world of civilized human beings, is worse than the thought of having an incest driven rapist over for dinner.
Ponder upon this, there is no point defending for yourselves, save it. The fact and all the truth speak louder than just stupid farts coming out from your infested mouth fueled by your retarded brain.
To be honest, how naive you are with your pointless talk, we can see it in every glory in your statement here. In fact by calling you stupid, would be the most insulting thing by being stupid. Have you ever heard of the word opposition?
Think my friend, if there is no such thing as bravery to challenge the government face to face, why would oppositions be there?
By now, your retarded brain must be struggling, thinking, hey what is the point of oppositions if they are not effective enough to fight against the government? Good question.
One word - CORRUPTION.
The rest of the picture, I will also leave it up to you.
The real cowards in Malaysia are the group of people who survive under bogus unfair rights, fictional promises which only rat testicles will believe they are true.
The same group of people who destroying the country with their own social menaces, incest activities, drugs, materialistic punks with brains the size of a chicken shit, etc.
The same group of people who are spoilt by unreasonable, pointless, total waste of time support from the government. Which even that, on that very constant support, they are still licking their own balls, nursing their injury, shamelessly.
And still as of yet, presently and logically categorized as the poorest class citizens who only survive by politically sucking other people's hard earned benefits.
The same group of people who idolizes external portrayal of physical goodness, but mentally and reality, are bunch of idiotic hypocrites nothing better than a rotting pair of pig testicles. Even the maggots would think twice of devouring such a distasteful crap.
I am sick and tired of saying this over and over again. I honestly believe, that every single malay individual in this country, within their very heart, and best interests, know where they stand. They know right from the start, that they can't win in a fair and equal environment.
Their fictitious pride and ego made them proud of their weakness, never ever have the guts to admit their weaker side.
And how do you think they survive? By playing dirty. And most of the time, very very dirty. To those malays who are successful, trust me, they are not pure malays. They are even embarrassed by the fact that they are malays.
Think......................
Still think and insist malays are for perpaduan? fair? got integrity and dignity?
The only way to have perpaduan is: you motherf***ker stripe your own babi status and come to term with other races on level playing field - that is what we call a step towards perpaduan!
We are all Malaysians, why not? What is your problem??????????
Now the answer to this I leave it to you to think. How you want to think it with your level of stupidity, I have truly no idea.
funny,the word "BABI" is being used rampantly by the"ANONYMOUS" blogger and also the others.The question,Who uses the word "babi" in their daily conversations,who hates "babi".This hate bloggings are done by almost the same person for and against.You have not fooled me,ok.
The Chinese hold the economic reigns in Malaysia, and any Chinese wanting to set up a business will not find it a problem in securing a loan. The same does not apply to Indians in Malaysia.Few banks will provide them with loans. This is where the wealthy Indians can play a part.They can set up trust funds from which loans can be given to Indians to start businesses.The sad reality however is that wealthy Indians( including Mr.Sam ), will not even think about helping their own, or if they attempt to do so, are met with all types of unimaginable difficulties.I am talking from solid experience here. When I was in Malaysia, I made up my mind to help the working class Indians in whatever way I could. I decided to provide free tuition for some working class Indians near where I lived. A building was chosen and two undergraduates volunteered to coach students in English and math for the SPM. The Indian community was of course informed about this. I was terribly disappointed to find that only two or three students came for the tuition. When I investigated the matter, I found that parents did not want to send their children to the tuition as there was a dark patch through which the children had to pass in order to reach the building. Now if the parents really wanted to help their children, they could have accompanied them to and from their tuition. They were probably too engrossed in their Tamil movies to do even this.
Next, I informed the MIC representative in my area that I would provide all the funds necessary to continue their education, for two deserving students. I waited for a month, but the MIC rep. did not come up with the names of the two students. When I asked him what the matter was, he replied that there were no such students. I came to know later that this rep. had told some people that if I had so much money to give away,then why don't I give him the money!
Finally,I gathered around some Indian executives and businessmen in my area and proposed to them that we set up a fund for enterprising Indian businessmen. We will offer them loans from this fund with easy repayment terms. I said that I'll contribute $5,000/- there and then for this fund, and told the others to come up with whatever they could within a month. That is the last I saw of them.
The Indians should realise that if they are not willing to help themselves, then neither will the Chinese or the Malays help them. It has all got to do with attitude. There is fantasic infrastructure in Malaysia provided by the government. The Indians have to pull themselves by their boot straps in order to succeed.
I am now living in a Western nation. Everything is clean and in order here, and my wife and kids are loving it. I long however to go back to Malaysia to help my fellow Indians, and to hear the sweet sound of the Tamil language being spoken.
Like I said before.....
"Actually HINDRAF was not relevant and a minor bug which can be swatted off.
The mistake was actually in getting offended and proceeding to WASTE TIME swatting it off. Anybody whether Majority or whatever getting involved ...loses out."
While you all are busy getting offended; a Malaysan Union is being implemented to get rid of State Powers by implementing all this "Kerrydoors" ....
First stage after corridoring will be loss of state powers....you all fellers are being slowly cooked and its time to ignore HINDRAF and deal with the REAL threat... OF MALAYAN UNION.
What is worrying to the Asian Jews is that we see this as the first step towards a Islamic Caliphate.
Its time the local Malaysian Malays realise that the Asian Jews are very practical people. The Asian Jews i.e. MyC support the Sultans coz of several reasons. One of them is that ..... as long as the Malay Sultans are around a Malaysian Republic is not possible.... and if a Malaysian Republic is not possible then an Islamic Caliphate is not possible.
The Malaysian Sultans are the enemy of the Islamic Caliphate of Malaysia.
The Malaysian Chinese consider the Islamic Republic of Malaysia as their enemy.
As the enemy of my enemy is my friend; the Malaysian Chinese consider the Sultans as their friends.
Hence get the f(+3 letters) off HINDRAF and stop complaining about your foot being stepped upon while you are being slowly cooked.
Why not just offer your other foot to be stepped upon then?
i'm getting fed up wit statements tht indian in m'sia are doing well n even if their ancestors stayed in india they wouldnt be living a good life etc.....to ass***** who wrote this ...let me asnwer...
i) there some numbers of indian in m'sia are doing well coz we worked hard for it.....
ii) let me inform those fuc*** melayu that ur fuck*** govt does not feed us like they have fed u melayus....
iii) we have to enroll in private colleges n spent thousands on our education with OUR HARD EARNED $$$$...NOT LIKE MELAYUS BORROW $$$ FROM GOVT LEPAS TU TAK BAYAR...ITULAH DASAR ORG MELAYU....SEPERTI KACANG LUPA KULIT
iv) We work day and nite....unlike u melayus most of the time imagining about sexy women (but please malay women they r not sexy at all..they r ugly n very itchy too)
v) N for u melayus fucking information indian r not brainless shitpots like u melayus...even the microsoft programme u monkeys r using is invented by indians....so shut ur hole.....
MALAYS R Living in borrowed culture, language, lifestyle, they say they dont like chinese cos they eat babi but whatever delicious chinese food want to be eaten by them..so they will create the halal one n spoil the whole recipe...FOR MELAYUS THAT EAT ROTI CANAI N TEH TARIK....for ur info roti canai came from TAMIL NADU and its known as roti prata n teh tarik 'the tarik culture' is tamil culture.....
LET FACE IT LAH MELAYU U dont have culture, no real origin, everything u r today by copying other religion n race....the word NAVIGATION was changed to NAVIGASI by melayu bodoh....hello tamil people dont have to ciplak other language...
N 4 ur info ur melayu women r cheap sluts who will even sleep for rm 1.00 nasi lemak..DO NOT INSULT OUR MOTHERS U BASTARD SOCIETY.....ur women r this PEREMPUAN, ISTERI DAN .....
TERIMA HAKIKAT INI WAHAI MELAYU BODOH.
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'wahai kawan2...
dah la tu.. nasib baik korang semua tinggal dan lahir kat malaysia tanah melayu ni...
belajar balik sejarah...
cuba fahami, orang melayu ni sabar orangnya, berlapis cakapnya, banyak beralah... beralah lagi... tak apalah... tak mengapalah... lebih kuranglah... kira halal lah..
cubalah korang jadi minoriti di negara "lain2" nun... taulah apa untung nasib korang...
tak percaya periksa sendiri, pergi belajar lagi... lepas tu baru korang rasa nak bersyukur...'
HELLO WHO R U TRYING TO FOOL...MINORITY IN OTHER COUNTRY SUFFER? AT LEAST THE AFRICAN AMERICAN IN AMERICA CAN RUN FOR PRESIDENCY IN US....will this ever happen in malaysia ur boleh land......??? A BLACK SPORTSMAN IN UK ARE CHERISHED LIKE REAL HEROES in bolehland if other race sportsman excel ur fucking governemnt is not bothered...recent ferry incident in langkawi there was one indian chap by name of KRISHNA helped to save some victims there by himself...but was this ever published in UTUSAN, BERITA CIBAI HARIAN, THE STAR ...nothing was done...this indian chap is not racist n he helped whoever needed his help there n he didnt even care about his safety.....PLEASE DONT TEACH US ABOUT MALAYS TO NON MALAYS IN MALAYSIA...MALAYS R MOSTLY JEALOUS N JADED PEOPLE...AND NOT FORGETTING THAT THEY R OXYMORONS N PARASITE....
To the individuals who are inciting race hatred through ugly comments here do be forewarnded that many bloggers and readers ara aware of your chep and dirty tricks of trying to incite violence.
This is a place for intellectual discourse and not insult trading.
To all, please ignore these cheap tricks as we can never be sure who is trying to insult whom (e.g. the person fond of calling Malays "babi" in above postings could be a Malay himself, presumably from UMNO.
We've seen this happen repeatedly.
To all my fellow civilised human beings. Firstly I am not agreeable with this writer as the writer is biased as little research was done on the topic. The write has a biased understanding of Islam and its teaching and it is understood that as a Hindu there a history of consentment between Hindu and Islam.
If the writer look throughout the ages, minorities races has always feels that there are left out and was being procecuted. For example in The United States of America we have the Afro-American and Hispanics people. In Australia we have the Aborigines and so on. So it is the same throughout the world. Wheather in a Muslim or Non Muslim countries it happen.
But the case in Malaysia the Indian here a much better off than in India where the percentage of poor individual are over 85 percent from the population. The Indian in Malaysia have better housing,education and living than those in India. The majority of those who have emigrate here from India are from the lower casta and if they are still living in India today they could be one of the untouchable.
In reports bu the United Nation shows that India are;
1) Among the poorest country in the world
2) Have one of the highest crime rate in the world
3) Have one of the highest no of illiteracy people in the world.
4) Have the highest no of sickness in the world.
5) The wealth of the country only belong to about 5% from the country population.
So I think it is much more better fro the Malaysia Indian just to be thankful to live in Malaysia. Where there are rich Indian like Mr Samy Velu, Kamdar, Ananda and many more.
I thing the only best things in India are they are very productive in making babies and exporting its people all over the world to become labourers.
Thank you.
in a nutshell (2 angles):
-(H) says: (I) city councils demolish temples.
-(I)Council says: These are illegal Temples.
-(H) says: No Temple are legal
-(I) says: H build temple everywhere,this one on someone land.
-(H) says: We are facing discrimination,ethnic cleansing.And we want Queen to pay us xxx trillion GBP.
-(I) says: ?!
-(H) says: I tell you to the world!
-(I) says: ?!
-(H) says: Dont make us angry or else we become like LTTE
-(I) says:_ _ _ _
Malaysia says: keep pushing and (I) will fill in THAT blank.
1.Demolish ALL schools that is Sekolah Jenis Kebangsaan jenis Cina n Tamil..see if they allow that in say Australia to hv sekolah jenis kebangsaan jenis cina n india..
2. fuck u keling n cina
1.Demolish ALL schools that is Sekolah Jenis Kebangsaan jenis Cina n Tamil..see if they allow that in say Australia to hv sekolah jenis kebangsaan jenis cina n india..
>>> Obviously has NEVER been to Australia.
2. fuck u keling n cina
>>> Explains the high demand for keling n cina prostitutes in Malaysian brothels as confirmed by pimps....
This is ridiclous, why is there so much of hatred going around.
It is not easy to manage multi-ethnic nations.
The Malays are very tolerant and well mannered people (the many I know), but umno has made them look like a bunch of Talibans.
Anyway, I wish to state a few points here:
1) India is not poor (only kampung people will similarize it to Africa), only distribution of wealth is in disparity.
2) Hindraf is not about attacking the Malays (get that right please), but seeking justice over poor administration by Umno-led gov (which includes MCA & MIC)
3) Umno will use Malay rights and Islam when and where it is suiting (even though both might be in contradiction at times)e.g. Paying of Mas Khawin.
4) We Indians are OK in Malaysia (through our own hardwork), for those of us Indians who are not ok, I will only, only blame MIC for failing to protect, defend, upgrade and uplift our race.
5) Remember the real enemy are NOT the Malays (even they are revolting for justice)but those power-crazed, uneducated morons in Umno, MCA and MIC who form the gov as they have the so called 2/3 majority in votes
6) Fellow Indian please register as voters, even if you are not going to vote because think our population is 10 -12 % and Not 7.7% as stated.
Dear SJ,
I am a Malay and agree with you on point 5, 100%. Maybe someone in HINDRAF went overboard and equated UMNO as Malay, as if all Malays are UMNO members. HINDRAF's boo boo was mentioning MELAYU and not UMNO in their protest/memorandum and the subsequent reports in mainstream and alternative media. This has damaged HINDRAF's credibility and resulting in angering Malays who do not see UMNO as representing them. The fire is burning and time is running out. HINDRAF has to put aside their pride and clear the air. If there was a mistake, admit it openly and apologize. Then I'm sure they can win some more support for their cause. Failing to do so, the whole hoo ha would be a lost cause, they will find themselves behind bars and the poor Indians would be left to fight their cause without the HINDRAF leaders. About going to India, UK, US etc, apprantly HINDRAF didnot learn from Anwar Ibrahim's case in 1998. You go and see a foreigner and ask them to support your cause and you give the govt ammo to shoot at you, and label you as a traitor. The govt will score points on this and in the process, your cause is drowned and less symphathy from the people. HINDRAF must learn from past mistakes of other groups, only then they can be affective. As of now, I dont see them learning anything. Too much emotions would drown the voice of your cause.
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4) We Indians are OK in Malaysia (through our own hardwork), for those of us Indians who are not ok, I will only, only blame MIC for failing to protect, defend, upgrade and uplift our race.
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>>Typical and stark contradiction on just this one para:
a) If Indians are "OK in Malaysia",(+ that inevitable ego-boost"thru our OWN hardwork).Puhleeez, then why refer it to the World Court and other International PR stunt?
b) UMNO is not an angel, fine, BUT, if it's obvious to you that MIC as the root cause, then, WHY must you go on a toddy spin and movie-style reknowned tongue flapping antics-DAeehHHH?
c) For icing you then exit with a LTTE-type threat.
The way you present your plight (although how real it is) makes it begin to look so pretentious and like a run-up to a Tamil movie ridiculous fight scene.
PLEASE DONT MAKE FURTHER FOOL of yourself-Many Tamils Hindus are suffering enough!!!!!!
Sit back and ponder this:
Malays (regardless of arguing they swam in from sumatra or what), are sooo "accomodating" .Some may term them stupid/cunning, be it anything. But this point can be historically proven when they have been absorbing so many things Tamil/Hindu/Chinese/Arab and anything else.So much so, they have even taken Tamil Hindus in 'VERY HIGH' leading position in early history. Generally, Malays still hold on to this culture when you can see that ALL our PM's since independence are only accepted malays in these order smatterings of Siamese,Bugis/Arab/Indian/Chinese.
There is NO true(?) Malays PM yet in fact till now. You have to admit they are accomodating for any amount of reason. And so, this comes to my point:
>If they are so accomodating (like even giving votes so the Tamil Hindus can have a seat/say)and you still hate them (like so many post here), then, the problem is obviously YOU-because they would most likely still accomodate you after you show so much hate.
p.s - Pls dont come and counter my point with snake twist verbal vormit. ADMIT That TAMIL HINDUs made a BIG mistake in the Memo/Mob-(and only then maybe Shiva or something might forgive you!
Agreed that the Malays are very accomodating, and we thank you for that. But the Indians were no layabouts either. They worked hard in the plantations and in building the infrastructure of this nation so that Malaysia is what it is today - the envy of many nations. All the Indians are asking is to give them some opportunity for them to yet again bring in revenue for the country. I admit that taking to the streets like this was a bit over the top; but what other avenue was open to them when the government time and again simply refused to listen to their plight? If the government continues to walk this path, then even the elements will work against the country. Such is the law of Nature- the cry of the innocents will bring forth swift retribution. Why don't some of the high and mighty members of the government mentally place themselves in the shoes of the working Malaysian Indian to see how tough life can get. It is a daily struggle to make ends meet- and this in a country where many are rolling in wealth. The government of Malaysia ignores the plight of the Indians at its own peril.
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"Malaysian Indian to see how tough life can get. It is a daily struggle to make ends meet- and this in a country where many are rolling in wealth. The government of Malaysia ignores the plight of the Indians at its own peril.
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>>For god's sake.STOP this 'movie-scene' self-pity. Life is as tough for many-regardless of race. But, at least you admit now that Tamil Hindus went over the top. Maybe you think going 'over the top' is just like The toddy drunkard coming home and beating up the wife if he feels like it. My point is : Tamil Hindus made a ruckus-(you admitted it), only this time WE (other Malaysian esp Malays) are not at YOUR drunkard and 'pesticide-consuming mode' whims.Now, since you admit guilt..then it is only in order to APOLOGISE!! before it's too late.
Please ponder this:
"Can we recall the bomb blasts in Sabah in the late 80s (or early 90s)? Who was behind them? Remember Kokoro? Remember the Padang Sultan Sulaiman in Kampong Bharu? Remember Ops Lalang?
So let us be on our toes. So someone please tell the Hindraf to stop playing into the hands of the dirty boys. The Indians have a legitimate grievance. So do the Dayaks, the Penans, the Ibans, the Kadazans, etc. Hindraf is not alone. But the Ibans, Dayaks, Kadazans, Penans, etc., are not as loud, so we do not hear them. Let us not be manipulated by someone's dirty tricks into helping the corrupt and the crooks win the elections. "
Q to TAMIL HINDUs-YOU STILL think you doing the right thing?
Read this:
http://www.malaysia-today.net/nuc2006/letter.php?itemid=874
According to the Quran....HINDRAF and all other non-muslims must ve HUMILIATED and walk with their tail between their legs.
Muslims must also beat up all non-muslims and leave them blue-black ... "Fight those who do not believe in Allah" Thats why FRU must beat up HINDRAF people...
Thats what the gomen is doing now.
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, (which is Islam that abolishes all other religions ) of the people of the Book, (meaning the Jews and the Christians ) until they pay the Jizya (the tax imposed upon them) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued . (with humiliation and submission to the government of Islam.) 9:29."
(Commentary in parenthesis is from the Tafsir Al-Jalalein. i.e., Al-Jalalein’s Interpretation of the Koran.)
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"Muslims must also beat up all non-muslims and leave them blue-black ... "Fight those who do not believe in Allah" Thats why FRU must beat up HINDRAF people...
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>>so the snake's tongue wants to twist into religion territory now?Blame everything alse BUT your own HINDU Caste System for your marginalisation issue. Right in your face you dont want to see that the CASTE system is a perpetual damnation you put on yourselves.
Abu gets mad if you ask too many questions!
Muhammad said: "Allah has hated you for asking too many questions."
"The Prophet then got angry and his cheeks and face became red."
Bukhari's Hadith
60 Questions to ask Muslims
Now that you know Muslims will get mad easily by asking them too many questions they don’t want to answer, we suggest the following:
-Pick one or two questions.
-Be very kind in your tone.
-Be patient for their answer.
-Do not condescend.
-Pray for them to see the truth.
Muslims claim, that a proof the Koran was from God, is that it contains scientifically accurate information about Embryology before man discovered it for himself. However, all the information in the Koran regarding Embryology is copied from three sources, 1. A Greek doctor named Galen, who lived of 150 AD. 2. A Jewish doctor named Samuel ha-Yehudi who lived 150 AD. 3. the Greek father of medicine Hippocrates who lived 400 BC. My question is: in light of the fact that all the information contained in the Koran was already in print by these three doctors, will you retract the argument on Embryology? If not, will you supply one detail revealed in the Koran about Embryology, that was not already revealed or that was new?
Muslims claim, that a proof that the Koran was from God is that it contains scientifically accurate information about Embryology, yet in 86:6-7 the Koran says, "man was created from ejected liquid- Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs". This echoes the scientific error of Hippocrates who believed semen originates, from the brain down the spinal chord, before passing through the kidneys and finally out of the body. (Hippocratic Writings, Penguin Classics, 1983, p. 317) My question is: do you reject modern science and believe the Koran when it says sperm originates from the mid-gut section of a man's body.
Muslims quote an article written in 1957 by the Jehovah's Witnesses who stated there were 50,000 errors in the translation of the King James version. My question is: Even if this were true, (which of course it is not), how does this prove there is corruption in the original Greek MSS from which the King James version was translated?
Muslims claim, that the many different translations of the English Bible will render a single text with many different words and phrases. You said this was proof the Bible is corrupted and that the Koran reads exactly the same way everywhere in the world in Arabic. My question is: Since the many English translations of the Koran also render a single text with many different words, does that proof that the Koran is corrupted?
Muslims believe the word Allah was used by Jesus when he hung on the cross. The Bible records that Jesus said "Eli Eli lama sabachthani", but you say Jesus really cried out to Allah and said "Allah, Allah lama sabachthani" My question is: Would you please explain why you would use this argument when you don't believe Jesus ever hung on the cross? And second, since Jesus was quoting Ps 22:1 on the cross, isn't rather unlikely that both the Hebrew Old Testament and the Greek New Testament are wrong using Eli, a Hebrew word, rather than Allah, an arab word?
Muslims chide Christians because the earliest complete copies of the Bible were written 300 years after the originals of the first century. Yet Muslim scholars state the earliest copy of the Koran was written no earlier than 150 years after Muhammad died. My question is: in light of this fact, how could the Koran possibly be better than the Bible and would you please state the name and location and date of the earliest Koran you believe to be in existence?
Both the Samarqand MSS is in Tashkent, and the MSS housed in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul are written in the script style called "Kufic". And not the earlier style known as Ma'il or Mashq. This fact is the reason Muslim scholars date these manuscripts no earlier than 200 years after Muhammad died. My question is: leaving aside blind faith and wishful thinking, what evidence do you supply that these MSS were written any earlier?
The British Museum in London has an ancient copy of the Koran written in the Ma'il style of script, but practicing Muslim scholar Martin Lings, who is the former curator for the manuscripts of the British Museum, dates this manuscript at 790 AD. My question is: Apart from just making the claim, what evidence do you supply that this MSS were written any earlier?
The text of the Koran in 37:103 reads "they had both submitted their wills (became Muslims)" while the Arabic text of the Tashkent MSS gives the exact opposite meaning, "they did not submitted their wills" (they did NOT become Muslims.) My question is: have you actually read the Tashkent MSS for yourself in this passage and how do you explain this textual variation given your comments on the miracle of the perfect Koran?
Qur’an 18:9, makes into real history, the second century myth of 7 Christian youths who were persecuted for their faith and went to sleep in a cave for 300 years and then woke up with no ill effects. In the original myth the hero is a Christian, but in the Koran the hero is a Muslim. My question is: in the absence of any copyright laws when the Koran was written, are you at least prepared to pay compensation to the living relatives of the author of this myth? If not, would you be in favor of going starting up a charity fund to compensate for damages of copyright infringement?
Koran 5:116, represents Christians as worshipping Mary which is a historical error. Given the fact that the pagan Arabs did worship Mary’s idol in the Kaba, and that history records no group of Christians had ever worshiped Mary at this time, my question is would you please name the sect of Christians who worshiped Mary at the time of Muhammad?
Muslim's reject the doctrine of inherited sin of Adam but teach the Immaculate Conception of Mary. The reason the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception was invented was to remove inherited sin. My question is: since you reject the doctrine of inherited sin and believe all men are born without sin, why do Muslim's teach the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception of Mary?
In Koran 7:125, death by crucifixion is stated to exist at the time of Moses in 1500BC. Yet Encyclopedia Britannica, in harmony with all records of history, reports that crucifixion did not exist any earlier than 500 BC. My question is: to how do you explain this blaring historical error, and do you just disregard the history of the world merely because the Karen says otherwise?
Muslim scholar, Tabbarah, said in his book, The Spirit of Islam, "Moslems do not worship the Black Stone, but only show special reverence and veneration for its dignity and they kiss it only after the example of the Prophet and to keep their Covenant with God to obey His Will and avoid His disobedience." (Tabbarah, The Spirit of Islam, p. 173, Muslim). Focusing on Tabbarah’s key phrase of showing reverence and veneration to the Black Stone, My question is do you see any difference between the Muslim practice of kissing showing reverence and venerating the Black Stone and the Catholic practice of pope John Paul II kissing the statute of the Virgin Mary with reverence and veneration?
Informed Christians know there is no passage and the Koran that says the Bible is lost altered or corrupted. My question is would you please list all the passages you know where the Qur'an says the Bible that was in the hands of the Christians at the time of Muhammad had been corrupted?
Muslims will quote Quran 2:79 as a verse where the Koran says the canon of the Bible is corrupted, "Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: "This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!" My question is: If this verse refers to the corruption of the Bible, then why did Muhammad command Christians to follow the Bible they possessed in 600 AD in Quran 2:89; 7:157? And is this the only verse in the Koran that says the Bible is corrupt? (see also Quran 2:40-42,126,136,285; 3:3,71,93; 4:47,136; 5:47-51, 69,71-72; 6:91; 10:37,94; 21:7; 29:45,46; 35:31; 46:11)
Muslims will quote Jer 8:8 as proof that the Old Testament canon is corrupt, "How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of the Lord is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made it into a lie" Yet this verse is clearly speaking of the written scribal interpretations of the Bible as Jesus condemned in Mt 15:1-14. Here Jesus accused the Scribes of the same thing regarding washing of hands and Corban, "you invalidate the written word of God for the sake of your tradition." My question is: is this the only text in the Bible where you claim the canon was corrupted? If not quote the other texts.
How can Muslims claim there are no textual variations in the Koran, when the Tashkent MSS differs from the modern Egyptian Qur’an in 5 passages: 2:284, 2:283, 3:37, 3:109 and 5:119. The Tashkent MSS uses the word 'Allah' while the modern Egyptian Qur'an, uses the word 'huwa' (the pronoun 'he'). My question is: Which word do you believe are in the "preserved master tablet" and "mother of all books" in heaven?
The yearly Passover ritual began the same year it was initiated in the 10th plague and continued uninterrupted for 1500 years. The weekly Lord’s supper ritual began the same week that Christ was crucified and has continued ever since for 2000 years. The Islamic rituals just come out of nowhere, 2600 years after Abraham lived. Being as unbiased as you possibly can, My question is: are not the Jewish and Christian rituals more likely to be based on real history since the rituals of Islam that just pop out of nowhere 2600 years later?
The "Throw" is a reenactment ritual based upon Abraham and the "Run" is a reenactment ritual based upon Hagar. My question is: Did Adam perform the throw and the Run, and if not exactly when did they become part of Islamic ritual and do you have any actual historical evidence to support such?
Given the fact that Isaac Watt, said in his book, Islam and Christianity Today, "By the standards of modern historiography, the crucifixion of Jesus is one of the most certain events in past history" (Watt, Islam and Christianity Today, p. 144). My question is: What historical evidence do you give outside of the Qur'an that Jesus did not die on across?
If all Muslim's must reject the crucifixion of Christ based on the Koran and all Christians must reject Muhammad as a prophet based on the Bible, my question is: on exactly what basis do you believe Christianity and Islam are compatible religions?
Given the fact that the gospel of Barnabas is the 15th century forgery by Muslims, my question is: why do you quote this document as proof that early Christians denied the crucifixion of Christ and what proof do you offer that it is not a Muslim forgery?
Muslim's will quote Yusuf Ali’s comment in footnote 663, as proof that the three early Christian sects of Marcion, Docetism, Basilides, denied the crucifixion of Christ. Given the fact the three sects are condemned as false teachers, deceivers and the anti-Christ in six Bible passages (1 John 1:1,14; 2:22; 4:1-3; 5:6; 2 John 7) My question is: on what basis do you claim they are Christian sects and isn't it as much of a misrepresentation for you to quote these Gnostic sects as Christians who deny the crucifixion, as it would be a misrepresentation for Christians to quote the Baha'i faith as proof Muhammad was not the final Prophet? (The holy Qur’an, text, translation and commentary by Abdullah Yusuf Ali. 1872-1952, First published in 1938, 1973 ed., p. 230, footnote 663, commenting on 4:157)
The Koran says in 4:157, that God causes someone who looked like Jesus to die on the cross in his place, therefore tricking the apostles of Christ into thinking he was crucified. My question is: how can you escape the fact that the rise of Christianity to the largest religion in the world is ultimately the result of the divine action of Allah?
The deity of Jesus is affirmed four times in Hebrews chapter 1. Jesus Christ is called the son of God, worshiped by Angels, called God by the Father and stated to be the creator. Given the fact that you would say that this is a textual corruption of the original gospel message, my question is would you not agree that this corrupted text does indeed call Jesus God?
The Islamic religion teaches that Jesus Christ was a practicing Muslim. My question is: is this any less ridiculous than if Christians said Muhammad was a practicing Buddhist?
Muslim's claim that Isaiah 42 is a prophecy of Muhammad. Yet Isaiah 53 is one of the foremost prophecies of the crucifixion of Christ in the entire Old Testament. My question is: on what basis do you feel Isaiah 42 is uncorrupted which prophecies Muhammad, but Isaiah 53 is corrupted that prophesies the crucifixion of Christ?
My question is: If you feel the Bible is so corrupted, than why do you quote Deut 18:18 and John 16:13 as uncorrupted prophecies of Muhammad’s comment in the sixth century AD.
Acts 19:23-41 mentions a religion that worshipped the great goddess Artemis and her meteorite which fell down from heaven. Taking note that this religion centered around a meteorite, my question is: is it possible that this is a pagan corruption of the Black Stone and meteorite that fell at the foot of Adam and that at the time of Christ the Black Stone was actually in Ephesus Asia minor?
Galatians 1:6-9 Apostle Paul says "I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Christ for a different religion. But even if an angel from heaven, should preach to you a different religion, let him be accursed." My question is: Do you think it possible that this is a genuine text from God and he foresaw that both Muhammad and Joseph Smith would be taught a new religion by an angel?
Before the discovery of the dead sea scrolls in 1947 the earliest copy of the Old Testament was the Massoretic Text dated at 1000 AD. The dead sea scrolls are dated at 100 B.C. contain 19 copies of Isaiah, 25 copies of Deuteronomy and 30 copies of Psalms that are virtually identical to what we have in our Bible's today. My question is: since you believe the Old Testament was corrupted long before the dead sea scrolls were written in 100 B.C., will you at least admit that there has been no further corruption of the Old Testament since 100 B.C. right down to the present?
In Jude 3; 2 Peter 1:3; John 16:13 and 2 Tim 3:16 the Bible is called an all sufficient book with no need for anything else in regards to how we live our lives or worship God. You claim the same thing for the Qur'an. My question is: how can the Qur'an be all sufficient in our worship of Allah, if it does not even mention something as important as praying five times a day and does this not prove that the Koran without the Hadith is like a car without an engine?
The Huleatt Manuscript was written in 50 AD and is actually a prayer addressed to Jesus and calls Jesus "God". Therefore, Christians have in their possession archeological inscriptions within 20 years of Christ’s resurrection that say he is God. My question is: Do you know of any archeological inscription dated within 100 years of Muhammad's death where he is called a prophet? If so, please name it.
The Bible contains over 60 distinct prophecies of Jesus Christ 1000 years before hand. My question is: what is the single most remarkable prophecy that Muhammad made that was fulfilled?
Muslim's believe the Bible is corrupted. Yet in Isa 40:22 and three other passages. (Prov 8:27; Amos 9:6 Job 26:10) it says the earth is round and not flat. Job 26:7 says the earth is free-floating in space: "he hangs the earth on nothing." Both these facts are scientifically accurate, and revealed in the Bible long before man discovered it for himself. My question is: Are these passages scientifically accurate corruption's?
Muslims proudly quote several passages in the Koran 30:48; 24:43, as scientifically accurate explanations of the hydrologic water cycle. My question is: given the fact the Bible had already fully documented the hydrologic water cycle 1600 before the Koran in Job 36:27-28, and 3 other passages (Eccl 11:3; Job 26:8; Eccl 1:6-7), doesn't this proof Muhammad merely copied the scientific facts of the hydrologic water cycle directly from the Bible? (Clouds hold water: Eccl 11:3; Job 26:8; Rivers recycle water: Eccl 1:6-7; Evapouration: Amos 9:6)
The 66 books of the Bible were written by 40 different men over a period of 1600 years with multiple threads of unified themes that span cover to cover. My question is: would you not agree that in contrast to the Bible, that the Qur'an is a jumble of disjointed material, without order, continuity or unity of any kind?
Muslims authorities refuse to release photographs of the ancient Topkapi manuscript in Istanbul, one of the three oldest Korans in existence. My question is: do you have any idea why Muslim authorities refuse to release documentary photographs of the Topkapi manuscript in Istanbul and what they are afraid for the world to see?
Muslims have repeatedly claimed that Muslim women have more rights in Islam then Western women do in Canada and the USA. The proof you supplied with the fact that Islam gave women the right to vote 1400 years ago but women in the West only got the right to vote 100 years ago. My question is: would you please name one country in the world today that is ruled by a Islamic "Shariah" law where women are permitted to vote?
Muslim's claim that their growth rate is 235 percent and 47 percent for Christianity. This statistic came from the Readers Digest Almanac and Yearbook 1983, and represents 235 percent increase over 50 years. A simple review of the readers Digest study shows that the growth rate of Islam vs. Christianity is directly linked to the birth rate in Third World countries where Islam dominates and not actual conversions to each religion. My question is: do you have any more recent statistics on an annualized basis?
Muslims claim that Jesus prayed using the Muslim prayer posture, along with all the prophets. Yet Jesus instructed his disciples to pray while standing up. (Mark 11:25), King David prayed while sitting in (2 Sam 7:18), and Paul instructed prayer in church with hands lifted up in the air. (1 Tim 2:8) My question is: If Jesus was a Muslim, why would he instruct his disciples to pray standing up? And when it says Jesus fell on his face and prayed, how do you know he was not fully prostrate?
Muslims claim that Muhammad always worshipped Allah in a 100% correct way, without the need for any restoral. My question is: If this is true, then why did Muhammad pray towards Jerusalem for the first 5 years of his prophethood, and later redirected his prays towards Mecca? And did Jesus pray towards Mecca 5 times a towards Jerusalem or Mecca?
The Bible defines a miracle as something that defies the laws of nature. Muslims claim the Koran is a miracle merely because it was allegedly transmitted perfectly without alteration and flaw till the second coming. Since the Harry Potter books will certainly be transmitted perfectly without alteration or flaw, and be around until the second coming, my question is: does this make the Harry Potter books a miracle like the Koran?
Muslims claim that in Isa 42:1 Muhammad fulfilled the expression "bring forth justice to the nations" indicating that the immoral pagan Arabs before Muhammad’s time were reformed into a just moral society. My question is: Even though you believe the New Testament is corrupt, had the Immoral Pagan Arabs all become Christians and followed the moral standards revealed in the corrupted New Testament, would they not have also transformed into a just moral society? If no why not? And how is the moral standard in the Koran superior to the moral standard of the Bible?
Muslims claim that the Angel Gabriel is the Holy Spirit who came upon Mary and caused her to conceive based upon Luke 1:26:38. My question is: If this is true, then why did Gabriel say to Mary in verse 35, "the power of the Holy Spirit will come upon you" rather than "my power will come upon you"?
Muslims quote Luke 22:43 as proof that when Jesus cried out to God not to be crucified, that an angel came and saved him from crucifixion. However the next verses says that Jesus was arrested by the mob for crucifixion. My Question is: on what basis do you accept the first passage as uncorrupted scripture, but reject the next verse as corrupted scripture?
Muslims claim it was medically impossible for blood and water to come out of Jesus when his side was pierced with spear because all the blood in Jesus body would have been clotted. The universal opinion of forensic scientists say that blood takes days to clot. My question is: Is this another example of where you reject all known science simply because Islam says this?
Muslims quote liberal agnostic Bible trashes who claim that the four gospels were copied from a lost original gospel known as the "Q document". This is a mythological document invented by these skeptics who reject Christianity, because they simply cannot accept the Bible is a book inspired from God. My question is: are you aware that the "Q Document" is a purely theoretical document that has never been found and is a complete fabrication and invention of the mind? And what is the value of quoting those who reject Christianity and Islam equally?
Muslims claim that the heading at the beginning of the four gospels "Gospel according to John", for example indicated the words came from John alone and prove the Bible to be a book of human authorship? In fact, that this text, like chapter and verse numbers, was added much later and are not part of the Bible? My question is: where did you learn that this text was part of the Bible?
Muslims state that they believe that the Bible is a book filled with pornography, and quoted Gen 19:32 where Lot made his two daughters pregnant. My Question is: Do you feel that the Bible should be removed from every library in Canada? And are you comfortable with the fact that your prophet Muhammad married a six year old child, when he was 55 years old? Do you think this is a good story to tell children?
Muslims teach Muhammad was sinless. However the Koran specifically limits the number of wives a Muslim man can marry to 4. Yet Muhammad married at least 12 women. My question is: Is Muhammad above the very law he gave in the Koran and isn’t the definition of sin violating the law of God?
Muslims quote George Bernard Shaw who said, "The Bible is the most dangerous book in the world, keep it lock and keyed." My question is: What value is there for you to quote an atheist like Shaw who also said: "There is not one single established religion that an intelligent, educated man can believe." (George Bernard Shaw quoted in "2000 Years of Disbelief, Famous People with the Courage to Doubt", by James A. Haught, Prometheus Books, 1996) Shaw also said: "The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality. (George Bernard Shaw, Androcles and the Lion, Preface, 1916)
To prove the Bible text is corrupted, Muslims quote a newspaper article in the "Daily News" of Durban South Africa, Tues. May 22, 1990, where you claimed the Church of Scotland had deleted the virgin birth from the Bible. The article actually said that the church of Scotland had merely deleted the teaching from their local church creed and statement of faith. My question is: Would you please explain how a church deleting the virgin birth from their church doctrine books, in any way proves the Bible is corrupted?
Muslims quote Isa 42 as a prophecy of Muhammad and say that Christians teach it is a prophecy of the Holy Spirit. (In fact Christians apply the text to Christ.) You also said that Isa 42 can only be fulfilled by Muhammad because Jesus is never called "my servant". My question is: why did Matthew quote Isa 42 and apply the whole text to Jesus in Matthew 12:18?
Muslims claim that the prophecy of the coming prophet in Deut 18:18 cannot be fulfilled by Jesus but could be fulfilled by Muhammad because the text says the prophet must arise from among their own brethren. Muslims say that if a Hebrew was intended, that the Bible would have said, "from among yourselves" rather than the expression "from among their own brethren". Hence Muslims claim the expression, "from among their own brethren" excludes all Hebrews and specifically Jesus. My question is: Since Deut 17:15 uses exactly the same expression, when it said, "you shall surely set a king over you whom the Lord your God chooses, one from among your own brethren" why did God appoint Saul and David as King and not an Ishmaelite? And in Deut 18:2 it says, "The Levites shall have no inheritance from among their brethren." Did the Ishmaelites share the inheritance of the promised land of Palestine with the Hebrews?
The Koran says in 4:157, that God causes someone who looked like Jesus to die on the cross in his place, therefore tricking the apostles of Christ into thinking he was crucified. Apostle John wrote in1 John 1:1 concerning the crucifixion: "What we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life". My question is: Was not John accurately reporting the things he actually saw, things that Allah made appear to happen?
Muslims claim that the New Testament story of Jesus dying on the cross is a corruption of the truth and that Allah made it appear that Jesus died on the cross, as per Q4:157. My question is: How can Muslims claim that they believe any of the New Testament was originally revealed by God, since the corruption must have begun at the cross.
Muslims believe that the whole concept of blood atonement is an invention of the Christian church. My question is: What were the Jews doing since 1500 BC on the "day of atonement".
Muslims reject the gospel story of Jesus being a substitute for our sins, the just for the unjust. They use the illustration of a man having to pay for a speeding ticket he did not commit. My question is: How do you explain that in the Muslim view of the cross, someone completely innocent died in Jesus place, after God made him appear to be Jesus? Was not this a Substitutionary sacrifice?
TO the Anonymous HINDRAF who attempted to point Quran Verse 9.29: (This post is for you for the explanation of the verse-BUT I am not going post in this topic anymore.I wont go so low to be dragged into a Religious fight like waht you're itching looking for.
9.29 Xplain:
Islam is a comprehensive way of life. In its completesness, Islam has its political and economical dimensions. Therefore it has its own form of statecraft, administration, jurisprudence, defence etc. based on the Qur'an and the Sunnah (the words and deeds of the Prophet, which serve as a practical expression of the Qur'an). Now the verse:
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." (9: 29)
This is a verse taken from Surah Bara’at or At-tawba. This surah (chapter) of the Qur’an was revealed in the context when the newly organized Muslim Ummah (society) was engaged in defending themselves particularly against the Pagans. The major question dealt with here is, as to how the Muslims should treat those who do not accept the newly formed government.
We must understand that before this, there was no systematic government of any sort in this part of Arabia. What prevailed was a crude kind of tribal system, which was being replaced after a period of turmoil. The people who were fighting against the Prophet and his companions were the polytheists, but in Madinah the Jews also were one with the polytheists in opposing the Muslims. The expression, "the People of the Book" here refers to the Jews. (They can be Christians or Jews; but since it was the Jews here who opposed the Muslims, the reference is to them). Anybody who didn't obey the law of the govt was liable to be penalized. But consideration was given to those who accepted the offer of protection by the govt. Protection was offered to those who paid the jizya, a tax levied from non-Muslims in the place of the tax levied from Muslims called zakah.
Jizya was a tax misunderstood by many; since only non-Muslims were asked to pay it. But remember that the Muslims were also paying a tax; the two taxes were known by two names. Zakah, the Muslim tax could not be levied from non-Muslims, since it was a religious duty. It would have been quite unfair to the non-Muslims to ask them to pay the zakah, because the rates and the method of exaction were very strict. But it would be equally unfair to the Muslims, if the non-Muslims were not asked to pay some tax to the govt. as a compensation for the protection they too were getting.
In the above verse, the question of subduing arises since there was rebellion. They had to obey the law of the land, as it is mandatory in any system, which includes payment of taxes. 'Acknowledging the religion of Truth' means either to embrace it or grant it the right to govern, since the mojority and the govt belong to it. There is no question of forced conversion here, since there is the option of paying the jizya. This is the meaning of the verse, and if it is taken out of context it would not make sense; or it would be mistaken, of course, as an unjust law.
In a situation where racial profiling and racial segregation is being considered quite necessary even in the bastions of freedom and democracy, it would be interesting to compare the two systems; taking into consideration the times and the circumstances as well.
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A. There are remnants of pagan moon god worship in the Koran when we have examples of Muslims swearing by the moon. These is no example in the Bible, of anyone ever swearing by a planet. This evidence is not decisive, but it is interesting to note.
"I swear by the moon, And the night when it departs, And the daybreak when it shines; Surely it (hell) is one of the gravest (misfortunes)" (Koran 74:32)
But nay! I swear by the sunset redness, And the night and that which it drives on, And the moon when it grows full, That you shall most certainly enter one state after another. But what is the matter with them that they do not believe, And when the Qur'an is recited to them they do not make obeisance? (Koran 84:16)
Koran translator Yusuf Ali comments on these two passages: "Nay, verily by the Moon," Yusuf Alli comments, "The moon was worshipped as a deity in times of darkness." (Qur'an, translated by Yusuf Ali, footnote 5798, pg. 1644, explanation of why the Qur'an swears by the moon in Surah 74:32)
It is an undeniable fact of history that before Muhammed was born, the moon god "al-Ilah" (Allah) had three daughters named al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat. The first two were even named after their father. Each daughter had a separate shrine near Mecca, where Allah's shrine was located.
As Muhammad grew weary from evangelizing his new religion with little success, he was tricked by the devil into adding a verse in the Koran that commanded Muslims to pray to Allah's three pagan daughters Lat, Uzza and Manat. The pagan female trinity was immediately accepted without dissent and the passage was considered part of the revealed Koran. However some time later, Muhammad got a revelation from God that the verse should be removed. After repenting of the error, Muhammad was comforted by God.
Such "after the fact corrective revelations" are very common with cults. Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormons also received an "after the fact corrective revelation" from God retracted the previous "divine command" allowing polygamy.
The historical information confirming the "Satanic verses" is so vast and sure, only the desperate blind would deny the evidence. Undeniably factual information regarding the Satanic verses comes from respected Muslim scholars like at-Tabari and Ibn Sa’d who wrote biographical and historical accounts of the life of Muhammad.
Yet some Muslims actually reject the whole "daughter-gate" story as untrue. These are an extremist minority, you know, the ones who don't believe youth should be taught history or science, but spend 8 hours a day memorizing the Koran. Yet many Muslims are trained to habitually disregard factual world history when it conflicts with the Koran. Take the fact of Christ's crucifixion. Even the Jews agree he was crucified, but the Koran says it was a case of mistaken identity. So Muslims reject the universal record of history and the Bible, but believe the Koran is true. Amazingly, some Islamic apologists actually deny "daughter-gate" ever happened. Yet their only argument is, "The Koran says it cannot be tampered with and that Satan cannot interfere with the revelation process." So, these extremists must either admit that the final prophet revealed a Koranic passage whose origin was Satan, or simply rewrite their own history and deny the whole "daughter-gate" scandal itself.
Note to self ...and slso JAIS....
To burn all books and literature pertaining to the following Islamic scholars everywhere in Malaysia.
at-Tabari and Ibn Sa’d
To set up special mat rempit squads to break into and burn all such books in private muslim houses.
The Hadith is found in the Forty Hadiths of An-Nawawi and reads as follows,
This Hadith is reported according to Abi ‘Abd-ar-rahman ‘Abdallah ben Mas‘ud, may God be pleased with him, who said: The Apostle of God, may God bless him and grant him salvation, spoke to us and he is truthful and worthy of belief:
"The creation of any one of you is accomplished in various stages in the abdomen of your mother; 40 days a drop of sperm; then he will be (‘alaqa) a clot for the same period, then chewed meat (mudagha) for the same period; then the angel will be sent to him and he will blow into him the spirit (soul) and he will order four words (about the future) by writing: his monetary fortune, and his length of life, and his actions, and whether he is to be damned or happy in the hereafter.
"And I swear by God Whom there is no other God except Him: it could be that one of you will do acts as the people of heaven until there remains only one arms length between him and it (heaven), and the writing ( of his future) will overtake him and he will do the acts of the people of the fire and he will enter it. And it could be that one of you will do acts of the people of the fire until there remains only one arms length between him and it, and the writing (of his future) will overtake him and he will do the acts of the people of heaven and he will enter it." (translation mine) Transmitted by Bukhari and Muslim. (An-Nawawi, op. cit., p. 28-29.)
We have here a Hadith which is reported to be from the mouth of Muhammad; attested to by the best authorities--Bukhari and Muslim; included in a special collection of Hadiths by a specialist in Hadiths; which has gross scientific errors. It follows the stages of the Qur'an exactly, but here Muhammad has added other information. The drop of sperm remains a drop of sperm 40 days, then an "‘alaqa" 40 days for a total of 80 days, then "chewed meat" for 40 days for a total of 120 days as shown in the following summary. Modern gynecological studies have shown that sperm remain alive less than a week inside the female genital tract, and that at 70 days organ differentiation and maturation are well advanced, except for the brain.
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HADITH'S STAGES OF PRENATAL DEVELOPMENT
STAGE 1. sperm--for 40 days
STAGE 2. ‘alaqa -- clot for 40 days
STAGE 3. mudagha -- flesh for 40 days
This makes a total of 120 days or 3 months and there are still no bones.
In truth all organs are formed, bones are beginning to calcify, and muscles are moving at 2 months.
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This Hadith says that it doesn't even become "an unformed lump" until 80 days, a clear error. Dr. Bucaille also mentions this Hadith and concludes,
"This description of embryonic evolution does not agree with modern data." (Bucaille, BQ&S, p. 245.)
However, it clearly shows something of what men believed only 200 years away from Muhammad, and it raises severe theological problems in relation to all the Hadith.
THE THEOLOGICAL PROBLEM
Do the scientific errors in this Hadith make the theological statements of Muhammad wrong too?
If the scientific error proves that this well attested Hadith is wrong, how do we know anything about the validity of the other well attested Hadiths which don't happen to have a scientific error to betray that they are wrong?
An even more crucial question is, how do we know that this Hadith is not an accurate transmission? How do we know that this does not represent Muhammad's words and understanding of the scientific facts???
Furthermore, if the correct translation of "alaqa" is "leech-like substance" as modern Muslims like Shabir Ally claim, there is no place where these post-Quranic doctors said so. In fact, it is just the opposite. The ideas of these Greek physicians were being used to explain the Qur'an and the Qur'an was quoted to enlighten the meaning of the Greek physicians.
Note to self ...and slso JAIS....
To burn all biology and medical books and literature pertaining modern gynaelogy everywhere in Malaysia because it is not consistent with the Quran.
To kill all medical doctors who challenge the Quran details of conception.
To burn and close down all the modern hospitals in Malaysia for NOT following the Quran.
To set up special mat rempit squads to break into and burn all such medical textbooks in private muslim houses.
The Koran teaches that someone who looked like Jesus was crucified on the cross in a case of mistaken identity. Many Muslims appeal to the Gospel of Barnabas as proof that the unknown look alike was Judas Iscariot.
"they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them" (Qur'an 4:156)
"Verily I say that the voice, the face, and the person of Judas were so like to Jesus, that his disciples and believers entirely believed that be was Jesus" (Gospel of Barnabas)
Most suspicious of course, is any mentioning of the name of Muhammad. (In Chapters 44, 54, 112, 97 and 163, etc.) It is particularly suspicious, since all the other evidence points to the fact that the whole of the G.o.B is a Medieval forgery. But other Islamic thought is also reflected in the G.o.B.
In Chapter 54, the Italian text mentions a denarius, which is made up of 60 minuti. These gold coins were used only in Spain under Khalif Abdul Malik (in 685 A.D.).
The Italian poet Dante lived about the time of the composition of the G.o.B. (1265-1321) and it is interesting to notice a number of quotations from Dante's works in the G.o.B. There are many and they can hardly be regarded as coincidences. The G.o.B. quotes Jesus as saying to Peter: "Know ye therefore, that hell is one, yet hath seven centres one below another. Hence, even as sin is of seven kinds, for as seven gates of hell has Satan generated it: So are seven punishments therein." (Chapter 135a). This is exactly what Dante says in Cantos V, VI, etc. of his "Inferno". Again "Barnabas" says that God, having created the human senses, condemned them "to hell and to intolerable snow and ice" (Chapter 106, which corresponds with Cantos XXVIII and III of the "Inferno"). The description of human sins and their returning at the end like a river to Satan, who is their source, is another indirect quotation from Dante's description of the rivers of hell. Similarly, the passages about the believers going to hell, not to be tortured, but to see the unbelievers in their torments, recalls to mind Dante's picture of the same. The differentiation between degrees of glory, and the absence of all feuds and jealousies in heaven, are taken entirely from Dante's "Paradise", Canto III. But still stronger evidence that "Barnabas" quotes directly or indirectly from Dante is his description of the "Geography of Heaven". There "Barnabas" agrees with Dante and contradicts even the Qur'an itself. The Qur'an (Sura 2:29) says that the heavens are seven in number, while "Barnabas" gives the number as nine (Chapter 178a) (Gairdner, pages 19-21). These few indications are sufficient evidence that the writer of the G.o.B. must have been acquainted with the writings of Dante and consequently must have I lived after Dante, or else been a contemporary of his.
First we should like to observe that all quotations in the G.o.B. from Old and New Testament are taken from the Vulgate translation. (Approximately 380 A.D.) This Latin Bible has been used in the Catholic Church ever since. The above is an example of an anachronism because the G.o.B. is supposed to date from before the Vulgate was written.
In Chapters 91-92 we are told that Jesus and His disciples kept "the 40 days". The context clearly shows that this refers to the period of Lent before Easter, celebrated by the church, but from a very much later period than the days of the early church. (The church meditates at this time on the suffering of Christ, which was obviously unknown when Christ was still alive). We find that Lent was celebrated only from the fourth century A.D. onwards. Jesus and His disciples are said to have gone for the 40 day fast to Mount Sinai. which is some 450 km away. There is no report in the New Testament to confirm this.
In Chapter 3 of the G.o.B. the birth of Christ is described as having been painless. This belief was not current in the Church before Thomas Aquinas (died 1278) but is mentioned in Sura 19:23
Not before the Fourth Century A.D. was the title "Virgin" given to Mary, yet it appears in the G.o.B.
Origen A.D. 184-254 was the first scholar to assume that Mount Tabor was the Mount of Transfiguration. The Bible does not confirm this. The Christian tradition that it was Mount Moriah begins only in the Third Century, and yet the G.o.B. contains this information.
The G.o.B. mentions four archangels, which is also a tradition of the church that dated from the early Medieval period.
In Chapter 82 mention is made of the "Years of the Jubilee, which now cometh every 100 years." The Year of Jubilee, according to the Old Testament, was every 50th year (after seven times seven years). The origin of this faulty information is as follows: In the year A.D. 1300 Pope Boniface the VIII instituted the Jubilee as a centenary event. Owing to its financial success, however, Pope Clement VI reversed Boniface's decision and celebrated the next Jubilee in 1350. This was thus the only time that the Year of Jubilee was intended as a centenary occasion - it never was in practice. (Gairdner, page 19).
Eve is said to have eaten an "apple" in Paradise (Chapters 40 and 41). We are well aware that Eve ate an unspecified fruit, but the belief that this was an apple dates from a very much later date.
Another proof of the G.o.B. being Medieval in origin, is that we have a report (Chapter 99) of a duel between two rival lovers. This type of chivalry was a creation of Medieval society (Gairdner, page 24).
In Chapter 39 Adam sees bright writing and the content is none other than the Kalimah. There is only one God" and "Muhammad is the Messenger of God." (The Kalimah is an Arabic word which has found its way to other languages of Muslim people. It refers to the declaration which brings a person into the fold of Islam. Anyone who wishes to be a Muslim must declare that he believes in the Oneness of Allah and in the Prophet as Allah's messenger.)
Reminder:
This post states: Malaysian Minorities' Human Rights.
To the stupid Islam Quran/Hadith hater.
Butt-off, and spew your venom somewhere else,you stink in here.
(at least try to get a nick or something like shithead or something.
Muslims claim Muhammad performed the Hajj, but truth says otherwise.
Muslims today make great boasts of how Islam is the purest monotheistic religion on the planet. Yes, Islam, is a monotheistic religion, but then again, Pharaoh Akhenaten was also the inventor of a monotheistic religion in 1362 BC. But what Muslims don't realize, is that all their rituals of the Hajj (the pilgrimage to Mecca, where they circle the black stone 7 times etc.) are of purely pagan origin. Although Muslims will claim that these rituals were practiced by Adam, Noah and Abraham as Muslims perform them today, this is nothing but pure myth, totally unsupported by history. In fact, the Hajj is documented in history as being solely of Arab pagan origin. Muslim myth says that Abraham performed the Hajj but it was corrupted down through the ages and then Muhammad came along and restored it to its original purity. But this also is myth because the history of the Hajj has ONLY a pagan history before Muhammad. It is clear that Muhammad took these pagan practices and assigned them new meanings, never before imagined. The Arabs, have perpetuated these myths ever since, even though history proves otherwise
"Fight and slay the pagans [Christians] wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush" (Surah 9:5)
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle nor acknowledge the religion of truth of the people of the Book (the Jews and the Christians) until they pay the Jizya [tax on non-Muslims] with willing submission and feel themselves subdued." (Surah 9:29)
"Those who follow Muhammad are merciless for the unbelievers but kind to each other." (Qur'an 48:29)
"Enmity and hatred will reign between us until ye believe in Allah alone." (Qur'an 60:4)
Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily God doth see all that they do. (Qur'an 8:37-39)
And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression. (Qur'an 2:193)
"Fight the unbelievers in your surroundings, and let them find harshness in you." (Qur'an 9:123)
"For he who believes in the Trinity, "the Fire will be his abode … a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemer." Qur'an (5:72-73)
"You (the Jews) should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle and I wish to expel you from this land (Arabia) (Hadith, 4363)
"I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims." (Hadith Sahih 4366)
except Christian Filipino maids of course and the US Army
hi shithead,
Thanks for proving you are one and that you dont have the correct mental chemistry to understand what this thread is about.I wonder if you understand -PISS OFF?
"Those who follow Muhammad are merciless for the unbelievers but kind to each other." (Qur'an 48:29)
Does the above agree with this you ShitHead?
HINDRAF recognises that Islam requires all to be treated equally and fairly and Islam does not support racial supremacy.
You did not read properly. The QURAN/HADITH postings are to show you all that THEY (THE GOMEN) HAVE TO FOLLOW the QURAN.
ITS NOTHING PERSONAL THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW ALLAH AND BEAT THE HELL OUT OF HINDRAF.
AND LATER IMPRISON AND TORTURE THEM also from Quran.
JUST FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS FROM ABOVE...(QURAN & HADITH) NOTHING PERSONAL.
ALL MINORITIES MUST HAVE THE HELL BEATEN OUT OF THEM.
ITS NOTHING PERSONAL.
ITS VERY QURAN_ically DONE
Q.E.D.
THIS is for SHITYHEAD:
Whether you're Twice born or First-Time Born,try answering these (if you can that is):
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/10497.htm
The history:
Tamilian Hindu estate culture has been like this ever since Colonial times.In estate, they 'did all their thing' and was isolated from everyone-build temples anywhere they feel like it, toddy-shop brawl,wife beating when it was too bad..pestiside became best option. MIC was the bastion caretaker,deal with them, and UMNO will make sure they get the votes.
The present:
Everything was ok...until, the RSS/BJP/HINDRAF anti islam came with a game plan......
(the story continues)
p.s The game they choose is a dangerous one which is run by a combined rule of Tamil-RACISM and also HINDU-FASCISM.
If people identified as INDIAN regardless of ethnic (esp in MIC) in Malaysia do not APOLOGISE and disassociate from this Dravidian Talivars soon...then we on long haul on a dangerous road
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If people identified as INDIAN regardless of ethnic (esp in MIC) in Malaysia do not APOLOGISE and disassociate from this Dravidian Talivars soon...then we on long haul on a dangerous road
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I fully agree with you. Throughout history; muslims have ONLY behaved themselves properly when they are in the minority. When muslims form the Majority; a critical mass is reached when hate fans on hate fans on hate on non-muslims and the Quran being of no help.
I fully expect major casualties in terms of loss of life, disruption on family units due to imprisonment and more destitute making as breadwinners are gone permanently.
It's time HINDRAF realises they have no chance in HELL of winning.
Islam means submission and thats what Semi-Value is very good at.
What the gomen wants is for the Indian community to agree and submit to ALL that they (the gomen) dish out to them.
If the gomen say "You can only work as rubbish collectors" then Indians must submit and say "YES"
If the gomen say "Destroy temple" then Indians must submit and say "YES"
anything else in a MUSLIM MAJORITY AREA is just plain suicide.
Count your lucky stars that you are not in Iraq where there will tell you that they need your daughter and anything other than yes means death.
The fifth incident involves another Muslim man named Amr Umayya, who was sent out by Muhammad to murder Muhammad's enemy Abu Sufyan, (Guillaume, op cit, page 673). However, his assassination attempt failed. As he returned home, he met a one-eyed shepherd. The shepherd and the Muslim man both identified themselves as members of the same Arab clan. Prior to going asleep, the shepherd said that he would never become a Muslim. Umayya waited for the shepherd to fall asleep, and thereafter:
"as soon as the badu was asleep and snoring I got up and killed him in a more horrible way than any man has been killed. I put the end of my bow in his sound eye, then I bore down on it until I forced it out at the back of his neck." p. 674.
Umayya returned and spoke with Muhammad. He relates,
"He [Muhammad] asked my news and when I told him what had happened he blessed me". p. 675.
So, Muhammad blessed one of his men who murdered a one-eyed shepherd while he slept. Another person who didn't want to follow Muhammad, another murder in Islam's name. Muhammad's trail of blood continued to grow.
The sixth incident involves the actions of Muslims who were sent out by Muhammad on a raid against the Fazara tribe. The Fazara initially defeated the Muslims. The wounded Muslim leader swore vengeance. After he recovered he went out and attacked the Fazara again. One very old woman was captured. Here is the account from Guillaume, op cit, page 665:
"....and Umm Qirfa Fatima was taken prisoner. She was a very old women, wife of Malik. Her daughter and Abdullah Masada were also taken. Zayd ordered Qays to kill Umm Qirfa and he killed her cruelly (Tabari, by putting a rope to her two legs and to two camels and driving them until they rent her in two.)
EXPECT HINDRAF TO BE TREATED THE SAME WAY.
DUN EXPECT MERCY FROM MUSLIMS. IF YOU HAD RECEIVED MERCY YOU WILL NOT BE STILL RUBBISH COLLECTORS.
Still insist on islam hate topic Shithead?
Well, I'll just entertain your venom a bit more if you read and answer these:
http://indianchristians.in/news/content/view/744/47/
Post HINDRAF, the Indian population could drop 1-2% ...mmmh...
After gomen has finished with the Indians they will then move on to the Chinese....who are also minorities in a Muslim Majority area.
At least quite a lot of Muslims love Chinese girls (Thats what they tell me anyway.) Hence the Chinese will be 1up on the Indians as they can offer their daughters which is actually currently being done in brothels in KL where most muslims ask for Chinese girls and are willing to pay more for them.
Hi Shithead,
Since you insist on littering this thread...do it till you get tired,then try some of the toddy-laced pesticide your types are reknowned for taking when this your 3rd born life gets tough...just, maybe we see you soon on your fourth life as a better being (human i hope). cheers
If HINDRAF knows what Islam stands for they will stay in their estates and drink their pesticides and toddy in their sorrows and all this will be academic exercise.
Hence all this Quranic postings will let them know what will happen to them if they do not apologize and crawl back to the hole where they came from.
Shithead you have a point about stay back in estate. But this problem starts when estates are dismantled and they start to face the urban world...and not being able to adjust
Shithead you have a point about stay back in estate. But this problem starts when estates are dismantled and they start to face the urban world...and not being able to adjust
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thats when majority muslims expect minorities to convert to muslims so as to become same class as them. And I must point out that quite a lot of Indians have already done so like our MamakKutty22 years in power.
Muslims treat non-muslims as second class cox its embedded in the Quran which they must follow gleefully so b4 u demonstrate u need to understand the enemy thats what the military college tells u to do.
UNIDRAF needs to study Islam and if they do they will either get the hell out of Malaysia as Millions of Chinese has already done or convert to Muslim or just drink pesticide.
Hello again shithead,
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"Muslims treat non-muslims as second class cox its embedded in the Quran which they must follow gleefully so b4 u demonstrate u need to understand the enemy thats what the military college tells u to do."
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Looks any argument you make will come back to the Quran.You been reading huh? I'll just try to keep you happy a bit more. You say it's 'embedded' that muslim must follow gleefully bla bla..Ok, which verse is it now? We could tire ourselves here you know...
We dun agree with HINDRAF coz the following issue have alreadi been taken care of by CHRISTAF.
) Demogate the country by forcing a R A Shit to make sure the country cannot be democratic and hence not prosperous.
2) Lingamate the country to make sure the law is controlled and muslims are not allowed to read the Quran.
3) Sleepgate the leader to make sure nobody knows what the heck is happening.
4) Babygate the law so that the law is foerver controlled this will make sure no muslims ever get to read the real Quran.
5) CorriGate vast tracts of the country to Christian countries.
ALL this has already been done for YOU! There is actually no need to demonstrate at all hence you truly deserve to be murdergated.
Furthermore we have also neutralised many leaders by using paedogate. What we do is we bring many senior leaders overseas and allow them to read the Quran there. Once they are read and know that Muhamad married a girl when she was 6 and had sex with her at 9 years old they want to follow Muhamad also. Thats how many leaders are paedogated. We also organise trips to Iran where they can legally marry girls who are 9 years old there. Just before they depart it is just Talak Talak Talak. It is all Quran approved.
Hence we are very ANGRY with you. Next time before you demonstrate make sure you get prior approval from CHRISTAF do you hear?
CHRISTAF has also implemented a project called Internetgate whereby young muslims do not get access to the internet. The number of educated muslims who slip pass and manage to read the real Quran is minimal and has already been largely neutralised by Lingamgate which has been completed and will be continued by Babygate with essentially the same functions. We also have Rempitgate to do selective work. (No one is allowed to touch Rempitgate. They cannot be arrested as they have been granted full rights and immunity from arrest.)
One last word of advice to HINDRAF.
If minority in Christian countries "force" christians TO read bible. This will make you safe.
If minority in MUSLIM countries "force" muslims NOT to read the Quran. This will make you safe.
UNDERSTAND?
From your brother CHRISTAF. (Note
:- we dun have R coz we KNOW we already have the rights)
WE WILL GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU SOON!
"Those who follow Muhammad are merciless for the unbelievers but kind to each other." (Qur'an 48:29)
"Enmity and hatred will reign between us until ye believe in Allah alone." (Qur'an 60:4)
Hence expect the gomen to be merciless to you (HINDRAF) and to have hatred for HINDRAF
Only muslims are the first class citizens to be treated with kindness. Thats very Quranically done and approved by all muslims.
Shithead.
Frankly (deep down) I feel for you.Try some of these first:
Tricyclics, Benzodiazepines, MAOIs, and SSRIs. --get docs advice too.
If these dont work...maybe 8 litres of Toddy is known to give temporary release.But remeber side effect of Toddy is sudden tendency to beat wife. And in some recorded cases,side effect would be a tremendous urge to consume 'skull- brand' pesticide pesticide. May god be with you whatever the outcome.
da boss
Frankly (deep down) I feel for you.Try some of these first:
Love , Patience, Fairness, and Truth. --get docs advice too.
If these dont work...maybe 8 litres of Happiness is known to give temporary release.But remeber side effect of Happiness is sudden tendency to hug wife. And in some recorded cases,side effect would be a tremendous urge to consume 'love- brand' olive oil. May god be with you whatever the outcome.
Oooh how idealistic and holy, you changed suddenly into a preacher! God bless you (at least no more holy book bashing-that's progress.However,if both ways dont go...go for toddy ok? ..it's on me? Cheers see you later, got to go scrape a living in the golden chernosee like everyone else (no discrimination here)
From CHRISTAF to HINDRAF.
Muslims also believe that any agreement signed between muslims and non-muslims is NOT BINDING on the muslims but binding on the non-muslims. Hence before you sign any peace agreement with the gomen you should bear this in mind.
(And err please dun ask me where in the Quran again. Please grow up fast and read the Quran yourself. Once you grow up we will consider your membership of the Global "AF" fraternity and will become our AF brother. Gotta go coz there are so many "gates" for us to attend to. For example.. Babygate is being threatened by many human rights groups as well)
and as the military college says...know your enemy...hope that you have learned basic facts about your enemy here.. cherrio!
Bloggers,
This is what Utthayakumar of HINDRAF told the Hindustan Times of India yesterday :
"He ( Utthayakumar ) felt that if India offered a dual citizenship with a repatriation clause "many lower rung Malaysian Indians may want to go back and live with dignity there."
This is the link, check it out for yourself, I am not making up stories, its was published by the Hindustan Times, the BJP mouthpiece, an ultra Hindu party in India
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?id=485143e9-fb6b-4b01-92a0-97dab4ba042a&MatchID1=4604&TeamID1=6&TeamID2=7&MatchType1=1&SeriesID1=1157&MatchID2=4575&TeamID3=8&TeamID4=2&MatchType2=1&SeriesID2=1147&PrimaryID=4604&Headline=Hindraf+appeals+to+India+for+help%26nbsp%3b+
Any Tamil Hindu want to pursue this with India ? Just reply to this blog entry, we can arrange, even provide 1st Class ticket KUL-Madras, one way for sure...and pls return your Malaysian passport upon arrival, also your I/C and birth cert...
For Tamils that do not agree with Utthayakumar, PLEASE SPEAK UP OR YOU WOULD BE SEEN IN THE SAME LIGHT AS ALL OTHER UNGRATEFUL TAMILS OF MALAYSIA.....REMEMBER, WHEN OTHER BLOGGERS SAID THAT YOU SHOULD RETURN TO TAMIL NADU, U GOT ANGRY AND SAID THAT YOU WANT TO CHANGE THINGS THRU THE MALAYSIAN SYSTEM...NOW WE CAUGHT YOU GUYS WITH YOUR PANTS DOWN WITH THE ABOVE QUOTE FROM THE HINDRAF LEADER...WANT TO GO BACK TO MOTHERLAND? PLEASE DO SO, THE SOONER THE BETTER!
prima facie treason. looks like your leader has sold you out!
whether waythamoorthy sold us out or not its not an issue here...this country is a doomland....u cant do this ..u cant do that ..bla.bla...U knw wat islam sucks big time......they think they are better than every human being in the earth....but they dont f******* realise that they r depending on every other human race for everything....who cares wat the damn koran says anyway..any indians out there who dont agree with recent issues brought up by HINDRAF can fuck off...no one need ur coward self sucking views..truth is most malaysian loves to be slave for the BN n UMNO...perhaps to the malays ....
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